Michael Moore Stars at Academy Awards
By Joel Bleifuss
On day five of the war, it was supremely ironic that network television viewers had to tune into the 75th Annual Academy Awards ceremony to hear voices that questioned the wisdom of the Bush administration. Rumblings of protest began on Saturday. At the Independent Spirit Awards (the award ceremony for independent films) in Santa Monica, California, Maggie Gyllenhaal, the star… return to article
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Reader Comments (2170)i looked this up to see who this fat fuck was so that i can make a note to never see one of hiw works. yes, this is a democracy - that speaks with their wallets.
Posted by mark on Mar 24, 2003 at 9:45 PM whether it is you or the SAG, comparing the supreme bufoon Michael Moore to other historical dissenters is fantasy.Moore is a gnat ,high school drop out who is andy warholing his 15 minutes into our face. Shmae on you for covering this idiot.shame on you.
Posted by Michael riley on Mar 24, 2003 at 9:45 PM It’s good to see that someone isn’t afraid to speak up against this illegal war that we started.
Posted by A Patriotic American on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:00 PM very good coverage of this important incident. glad to hear it was only 5 stagehands booing. let them go fight in Iraq. keep up the good work
Posted by jane on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:02 PM Great article, gives a perspective that has NOT been offered by the other news sources. Only in moments like this do we hear the truth spoken. In the tyranny of “the Shrub’s” iron rule, it is difficult to hear the real people’s feeling aired. Thank god for forum’s like these, and for proud and thinking people like Moore. As for the rest, take your 9-11 fear, your intolerance for reason, your cowardace, and climb into a hole.
Posted by paul on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:08 PM The first amendment is more important than “weapons of mass distraction”. “War is Peace”
United We Stand
Imaginative We Aren’t
Posted by Brice on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:10 PM Michael Moore is just wrong and perhaps bitter that the country took a right turn with the last presidential elections. Bush is the president and all of his words can’t change that. Perhaps he should do something positive sometime to see how it would feel.
Posted by Bill Robinson on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:11 PM If you guys don’t want him we’ll take him. Mr. Moore is the rare conscientious citizen.
Ironic, eh ? that we had to fund bowling for columbine...then again we’re the one publishing noam chomsky too.
PEACE
Posted by Richard on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:11 PM So he`s had his fifteen minutes of fame. A year or so from now he`ll be forgotten and probably found making porno films.
Posted by Ed Corbett on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:11 PM I am a Vet and to think I fought for this assholes right of free speech makes me puke
Posted by Benson on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:13 PM Ed-
You magnificently ignorant slut. Moore has been speaking truth for decades, and has won many awards. No doubt you are unaware of him because his films are not advertised in the back of “young pussy” magazine. Isn’t it great how we can live in a country where closed-minded, backwards, and sexually repressed people like you are allowed to voice an opinion on superior, smart and creative people like Moore?
Posted by paul on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:16 PM Thanks for clearing up the business about the booing. Michael Moore is a hero, who speaks the truth. When your country is doing something illegal, immoral, unreasonable and despicable, it is a crime not to try to stop it - you become an accessory to the crime. Rednecks should check out the magnificent speech by U.S. Senator Byrd of West Virginia at http://byrd.senate.gov/byrd_speeches/ byrd_speeches_2003march/byrd_speeches_2003march_list/ byrd_speeches_2003march_list_4.html
Posted by Anton on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:31 PM Kudos to Michael
I’m an American too but this sure as hell isn’t the America I was taught about in school. Free speech is the first thing to go in a fascist regime- and it left time town when Bush rode in. Nice to see someone like Moore cares enough about this country to make a statement.
Posted by Bill on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:37 PM Its frightening to realize how one-sided media sources can be. Unfortunately, especially in the US, media is big business and often those reporting have their own adgenda behind what gets told. Its hard to give credibility to the mainstream sources. I’m sure the execs at CNN were slapping high fives when Bush came out with his ultimatum. War is great for ratings!
Posted by TC on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:37 PM I am an American, and I live in a foreign (to Americans) country, where events in the world are not so masked by a blind patriotic fervor. The rest of the world doesn’t like us, because they don’t believe we are looking at the global issue of peace realistically. And all over America people’s reaction to that is “screw em”. How can that make the world safer? It should be sad to all Americans that people in China are more compassionate, tolerant and open minded.
Thank God for people like Michel Moore (and the reporters who are still brave enough to report), who feel compassion about doing the right thing, no matter how difficult it is, and how much abuse they have to take from the minds of “patriotic Americans”.
Posted by peter williams on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:43 PM Everybody is right and everybody is wrong. How can we find a thruthfull and reasonable argument for this war? Yet how can we leave a maniac like Saddam in power? Men has always wanted to battle each other to prove superiority. Micheal Moore is right and wrong in his opinions. The middle? none, it’s either war or peace. Very sad state of human evolution indeed.
Posted by Robert Fortin on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:47 PM currently, journalists who present facts that are ignored by major media are a national treasure. It requires courage to withstand the current Propaganda epidemic.
Posted by Ruth Bloom Dimmitt on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:47 PM People, please look at yourselves and think about the hostility and negativity you are inflicting. Finished? Now maybe you have a better idea WHY WE ARE AT WAR. There are over a 100 people already dead from this war, some of those US troops, some of those Iraqi troops, but many of those innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. When Sadam is dead and when the country of Iraq is completely fucked are you going to be happy that the Nazi Bush administration got away with Mass Murder for that? Michael Moore is intelligent, strong, makes excellent films, and it is people like him that are working to end this CYCLE OF VIOLENCE that the American people are caught up in. The comments here are utterly disgusting.
Posted by Kumar McMillan on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:55 PM Thank god for people like MM that try to part the veil of deception that is cast over the eyes of the population. I’ve been to your country and find it incredible. People are courteous and friendly, until the dog escapes and you run after it onto the neighbor’s yard. Then you get a bare belly, middle aged guy coming out and threatening you with a .357.
I come from Canada, and this country is nice also, but the added benefit of not getting shot at when you accidentally walk on the neighbor’s lawn makes it somewhat more comfy than the U.S, I guess.
I hope Saddam bites the bullet, Bush loses the next election and no more marines or innocent people die in this crazy war.
Posted by Pierre Kakos on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:00 PM Michael Moore is simply pointing out the obvious: these are shameful times for Americans. Not that the last 40 years havenít been.
I think that your non-democratically elected president should be removed and that democracy should be reinstated in the US. Otherwise, the US would also be led by a dictator.
C. Swanston, Toronto ON
Posted by C. Swanston on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:02 PM Great Article. I don’t understand this Propaganda and misrepresentation of public opinion by the media. Freedom of the press has only turned out to mean that the press is free to be manipulated. Thank you for your great honest article.
Posted by ML on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:09 PM I’m amazed at the ignorance of the general public when it comes to their susceptibility to PROPAGANDA. Read a little history and realize that our liberty is tenuous - if not already obliterated.
Posted by Josh Orzeck on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:12 PM Michael Moore is one of the most decent human beings on this earth for standing up against this bullshit administration and their bullshit war! All of you rednecks that just love getting fucked by dirty politics, treachery, and the dumbest president never elected should shoot yourselves now and rid this earth of your ignorance!
Posted by mcgdo on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:20 PM Mr. Moore,
I watched your buffoonish and shameful performance on last night’s Oscar telecast. It must have startled you to hear so many boos when you were, in your delusional mind, expecting total support from your Hollywood cronies. I have also read your incredibly hateful letter to President (not “Governor” as you so disrespectfully addressed him) Bush on your sleazy website. It’s amazing how you extreme Marxist-Leninist “limousine liberals” totally distort history and facts to fit your ideology. You stated that President Bush is “an army of one on this war”. In your America-hating dreams, pal! You’d better stop smoking that wacky tobaccy because it’s obviously made you delusional. The latest polls show that over 70% of Americans support the ongoing action to oust Saddam and his murdering regime. Of course, you’ll claim that those polls are all bulls**t and that your own “polls” show that every last person in America and the world is against Mr. Bush. You’re using Bill Maher and the Dixie Chicks as your “proof” that the whole world is against us? How pathetic is that? I have listened to a lot of blame and hate America radicals in my life but, you sir, are the most rabid and hateful one yet. You can’t stand it that someone with honest and decent American values is in the White House, can you? You probably worshiped at the feet of your idol “Slick Willie” Clinton while he was disgracing and dishonoring the Oval Office for 8 years with his insatiable appetite for BJs and his uncontrollable lying ways. You probably thought that he was “cool” like the rest of your Hollywood liberal buddies did. Sir, you are probably the worst anti-American American that I’ve ever had the displeasure to listen to. Somehow, you think that you are so clever and witty with your hateful Marxist-Leninist statements. However, more people than you could ever dream of find you utterly abhorent and a disgrace to this country. You are the poster boy for the “Bad American” cabal. Maybe you could go over to Iraq and become a “human shield” for your hero and pal Saddam. Please would you? Thank you for your time and don’t have a nice day!
Posted by michaelmooreisafatassbastard on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:22 PM Good story. The fact that Michael Moore is not a pretty face nor an eloquent speaker does not change the message. I like what he said. The audience actually seemed amused.
One quote:
“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of
the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you
have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Posted by Johnny on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:24 PM Mark - you have the right to your opinion, but you are a witless twit. Democracy means that everyone has the right to their opinions, including you and Michael Moore, and may express them through speech, art, voting, etc. Speaking with your wallet is called capitalism. Capitalism and Democracy are not synonyms.
Great article. Michael Moore in 2004!
Posted by JM on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:27 PM Michael Moore is my hero too. Thank you for this article--it’s the first decent thing I’ve read about this all day.
Posted by nuriya janss on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:40 PM Moore has one year of community college. George Bush degrees from Yale and Harvard (where by the way he got better grades than Al Gore). Who is the stupid white man?
The same who also currently does not employ any self-discipline in regard to exercise and diet.
Posted by Carl Snodgrass on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:41 PM Steve Martin’s joke about the teamsters helping Mr. Moore into the trunk of his limo was ab libbed based upon true events that happened back stage as Moore exited from camera view. Verbal exchanges between Moore and a couple of union workers prompted Martin’s humor.
Posted by Carl Snodgrass on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:41 PM History is chock-a-block full with ignorant right-wing nutcases like ‘mark’, ‘DB’, ‘Bill Robinson’, ‘mmiafab’ and worst of all ‘Benson’. However, it’s really only frightening when these loons actually believe what they are saying.
It is then that you know that the right wing have slipped completely into their meglamaniacal fantasy world in which they have been chosen by God to go out and murder, rape and pillage , spread misery and suffering, and actually FEEL GOOD about it. As if their revolting, despicable deeds were some kind of divine providence.
That is the kind of world that Americans have made for themselves. And despite the Right’s attempt to marginalize people like Michael Moore, I believe that many ordinary honest Americans are starting to question their own behaviour and the behaviour of the people in the power structure.
As for this purile nonsense about who booed and how many booed and how many cheered. Arguing about such things is juvenile, and is clear evidence of an underdeveloped mind. It doesn’t matter if the whole audience booed. What matters is that someon, in a public forum, SPOKE THEIR MIND, rather than bending over double like the rest of the corporate whores of the American Media.
Posted by ian on Mar 24, 2003 at 11:51 PM Hey Mr Snodgrass-
You certainly cannot win an argument about who is more eloquent - the persuasive Moore who causes US executives to stammer in response to his questions, or Bush, who stammers constantly because he has no clue about what he is saying? You can produce Bush’s degrees (if they are, indeed real), but the man is indisputably simple-minded, has a poor grasp of the issues, and is an embarrassment to any US citizen who values a leader of intellect. Please don’t disgrace yourself by trying to assert that little Bush has a defensible mental capability. Just listen to him…
Posted by paul on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:01 AM While our new military dictator has torn down the framework of international law and committed the mother of all Nuremberg war crimes --waging a war of aggression-- the “patriots” are busy renaming french fries and villifying people like Michael Moore for pointing out that our government has been highjacked by fascists.
Impeach ShrubCo. Go to U.S. Rep. John Conyers website and tally in to impeach the little fraud in the White House.
Posted by Bruce on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:09 AM Well, disagree with Michael Moore if you must. That’s fine, let’s have a spirited and well-reasoned debate based on the facts.
However, that also requires that you know the facts. And I don’t mean the facts about how much Michael Moore weighs, or what kinds of grades he got in school. Entirely irrelevant. He’s not talking about himself, he’s talking about the state of our constitutional democracy, which right now appears to be a wreck.
Fact: Al Gore got more votes than Bush. Even in Florida. He isn’t the President.
Fact: The Supreme Court illegally stopped the re-count. More than 60 college law professors took out a full-page ad in the New York Times to state their unequivocal protest agianst the Supreme Courts’ ruling.
Fact: The United States sold the chemical and biological agents to Hussein. Bag man: Donald Rumsfeld.
Fact: The Bush family has been doing business with the Bin Laden family for many years.
Fact: Dick Cheney told Congress not to investigate too closely the facts behind 9/11. There has been no FAA investigation. There has been no special commission.
Fact: “Bowling for Columbine” is the most successful documentary ever made.
It goes on and on. You’re free to draw your own conclusions. You’re even free to be ignorant. But you’re not free to make other people shut-up - that’s not supposed to be the American way.
Posted by Chris Williams on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:15 AM Thanks for the great article covering Michael’s words. Hopefully he will get the chance to read this message after reading all the lousy articles posted by other media sources.
And to the guy addressing MM’s open letter to Bush… how can you accuse him of being unamerican for not supporting the president when you obviously did not support Clinton when his sexual acts became public. The fact is, it is American for either of you to be able to voice your opinion without being hauled off to prison or even killed. Not to mention, do you really think that a sexual act made public is worse than killing people while breaking international law?
The US needs more people with guts like MM to speak their minds no matter what side of the platform they might stand on.
Posted by rachel on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:16 AM I commend Michael Moore. I commend all actors, and people of all races, faiths and political parties for standing up and saying their peace. Especially went the news is going to do spin control to make a pro war propagandist statement. Good Job, I say to Michael Moore. thanks, Cynthia
Posted by Cynthia on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:20 AM The first comment speaks volumes for those who are so self-rightous, and, yes, feel that democracy is all about money.
I was so happy to find this article and to have the events of last night set straight. I was never prouder to be an American than last night when I saw and heard what Michael Moore said. My wife and I leapt out of our chairs and applauded wildly that Mr. Moore had the courage to say what we all feel about this war and this president.
We are the majority and thank heavens for InTheseTimes for letting us know what is going on, that the rest of the corporate media wishes to keep from us.
PS. From the way that the first responder writes it is obvious that he spends most of his time in chat rooms as he has assumed the writing style of those that feel punctuation, spelling and grammar are passe.
Posted by Mark on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:22 AM Michael Moore is a hero who stood up to talk against this unjust, illegal and ugly war. We don’t need bombs and fire, we need more courageous people like Mr. Moore.
Posted by cory on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:40 AM Excellent!! Many thanks! Glad to hear the booing was only a few stagehands who commandeered the microphone. I am from the home state of the fictitious pres. who has made a not so fictitious mess of Texas, the US, and is workng on doing the same for the world as he brutalizes the people of Iraq in the process. Thanks for your website. Michael was right on with “Bowing for Columbine” and cntinues to be a thorn in the side of those who essentialy have no foresight or social conscience
Posted by Anita Jones on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:10 AM It’s a sorry state of affairs when opponents of certain viewpoints resort to insulting the messenger or decrying his or her right to speak freely in a what is supposed to be a democratic country. It appears as if Michael Moore’s detractors can do not better than to make disparaging remarks about his girth or his educational background. It’s all becoming very plain: Meaningful debate in America has withered and died.
Posted by Ian on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:13 AM Human civilization has, I think, improved over time and all manner of people and societies have had their hand in the relay race of history. I fear, however, that that great experiment in liberty and democracy known as America, if it ever was more than a concept (it’s overall track record could easily argue otherwise), has passed its zenith. The sad fact may be that the world will have to look elsewhere from now on for inspiration. Then again, what do I know; I am an American. Maybe the world always has. But I do know one thing: Michael Moore is ours and to plagerize Mark Twain, he is not an American, he is *the* American.
Posted by Ean Behr on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:13 AM Thank you for this honest account of the events at this year’s Academy Awards! I scoured the news media online for an accurate description of Michael Moore’s statement, and found only this! The First Amendment does still retain validity, thank God, despite this administration’s determination to squelch it! Rock on, friends of Truth!
Posted by Melissa Stander on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:15 AM I watched the Oscars and saw that no one was booing, only surprised and smiling faces. Thanks for clearing up the situation.
Posted by Steven on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:49 AM We have ficticious australian prime minister who likes sucking up to english queen and/or your dubious president. We are still to catch ‘Honest’ John telling the truth.
Posted by svoy on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:51 AM All this anger about Michael Moore--obviously even those who voted for Governor Bush haven’t recovered from the fact that HE LOST THE ELECTION. And they don’t seem to find any vindication in the fact that the Surpreme Court decided that it was “too much trouble” to finish counting the votes. What a bunch of crybabies. Well, every day we see more and more evidence that this war is a disastrous failure that will not bring democracy to anyone, and that these impeachable criminals--Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft--have run roughshod over the U.S. Constitution, the U.N., and International Law in their “first war” on the third world. Without the Michael Moores, the Noam Chomskys, the Studs Terkels, and the Susan Sarandons, we wouldn’t even be having a debate--for debate is absent in the press, absent in Congress, and totally absent in the White House. And do any of these Michaelmaniacs even know what a depleted uranium weapon is, or what it does to our own troops, let alone the enemy? Ask any of the 223,000 vets from “Desert Storm” (you gotta love the branding on these atrocities) who are currently under treatment from injuries suffered not from the enemy, but from our own dirty “weapons of mass destruction.” Ask them how they feel about birth defects that are twice as frequent in male Gulf War vets, and three times as frequent in female vets?
Posted by richard on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:55 AM I am glad micheal moore made the statements he did and I am proud to be an american and be able to diagree with a war that should not have happened. What happened to inspections? This war could be a nightmare if the people of Iraq do not feel as though they ar liberated.
Let’s be hinest alot could go wrong if the calculations were off on this war. I am all for liberating people but if the liberating turns into occupation I am afraid this war could go terribly wrong!
So bravo for Micheal Moore we are not a dictatorship this is America. Time will tell who is right.
Posted by Mr Pheus on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:57 AM Thanks, I had trouble finding a news article about this incident. It should have been obvious that Michael Moore would not turn into a coward under pressure. It’s bizarre that a person who might call himself an American could say something like ‘MM should be shot’. Sounds more like something a Nazi would say. Sadly, this war is about really big wallets talking, but it is in no way democratic.
Posted by Peace Courage on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:04 AM In my search for more info on MM I came across the site:www.rise4news.net
where you can read Moore’s complete oscar speech as well as read more about the issues at hand.
Posted by anne on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:25 AM As a group, people in the performing arts have never been noted for their intelligence. As general lack of intelligence is often msnifested in their political views. While may enjoy their performances I never rely on them for advice.
Posted by Del on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:34 AM Thank you for a just report on Moore’s brilliant speech at the Oscars. So many other sources have diluted the speech in the press, it’s impressive to see someone reporting truth, not altered halfs. BIg ups to Moore and his struggle against the oppressors.
Posted by Chloe McCloskey on Mar 25, 2003 at 3:31 AM I clearly join Michael Moore’s opinion in being against this war. but not for the same reasons.
The US dare to take risks to defend freedom and when it’s done in the interest of the UN Charter, I support them. But if they take risks according to their national interest only, I start being more cautious. I agree that Europe does not do her part of the job and I regret it. But I also believe that the US should have listened more to voices like the Belgian, German and French ones.
The whole international community was behind the US after September 11 and they destroyed this by attacking Irak, an unlegal war. International law and politics could have helped the US in their goals. I regret the US did not use/listen the UN at 100%.
Why go to Irak so fast ? This is clearly how you open the door to contestation when public opinions are not ready. I think the US, strangely, lacked creativity this time : why not special undercover action ? Why not opening an investigation for genocide with the International Criminal Court to foster a regime change in a few years ?
If the US did not want to hear us, why do we have this war ? WMD ? No. Terrorism ? No. Regime change after dictatorship ? Come on, the US have supported some dictators in the past. Is it to install democracy in that zone ? In US minds, if democracy means US interest, certainly. Is it for oil and big business ? Again in US minds, why not taking advantage…
I think the US are currently in troubled waters and afraid to lose their world leadership. Their current arguments are understandable and probably correct in their way of thinking but there is something else.
The US are in the long-term afraid of more unstable and potentially dangerous countries like China and that is why they (i) secure oil production to maintain the costs of their economy and (ii) develop their NMD to re-boost their technology momentum and stimulate their economic revival.
Containment of China has started. The Axis of Evil is just a first step.
Therefore, failing to talk more frankly to those in Europe who see the real objective of the US is the attitude that destroys loyalty and friendship of allies like France and the US. We share the same values (still, please avoid to bring religion in the political arena, you might be called ayatollah next time) but treating me as a secondary world citizen is an insult to my intelligence that I do not accept. Think about it, Mr Bush.
Posted by Denis Safrany on Mar 25, 2003 at 3:41 AM Whether or not you support or despise Michael Moore’s comments (regarding the War and the Presidency), I believe that it’s crucially important for citizens of a Democracy to consider his broader issue of freedom of speech (or lack of) within this country. While I personally support and applaud what he had to say, I in no way wish to quell the opinions and comments of his detractors; every voice (and by extension, every VOTE) is an indication of a healthier democracy actually governed by it’s members.
Posted by David on Mar 25, 2003 at 3:43 AM Thank you for being there and doing your job so well. I am delighted add your website to my list of favorites. Three cheers for Michael Moore; he tells the truth. Democracy is not inherited, it must be recreated every moment, like a good marriage. Moore says it better than I ever could. Moore has remained steadfast to his democratic heritage in his personal life as well as his business life, which is more than most businessmen can say. Good luck to him all the staff at In These Times there forever! The dumb fucks who eat the establishment media shit get no sympathy from me. Saddam Hussain was put in power by the CIA to rob his own people of their natural resources. You can thank the establishment for this horrible waste of good American energy. Their power is uncontrolled, and they are like sharks in a feeding frenzy. They will destroy civilization if they are not stopped, and I know what I’m talking about because I live in a place where public law is not respected and vigilante law rules. You never know what you had until its lost. Fifteen years ago the US military promised to “bomb them back to the dark ages”. Well, they are succeeding. There were 72 wars going on as of last January. We have to stop this genocidal bloodbath or we will all go down in flames.
Posted by Susan Lorraine Knox on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:17 AM hmmm… looks like the right wing message boarders are having a pile on
Posted by Ab on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:19 AM Michael Moore for President? What do you say America? Do it, Michael! That would really be putting your money where your mouth is: You ARE up to the job!
Posted by Helen on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:37 AM MM is to be commended, if for nothing else than for exorcising his right to freedom of speech. All those who oppose his sentiments are welcome to voice their own (and have, so what is the issue?) So Bush takes a few hits...it comes with the territory. I don’t see this as disrespectful...I see this as an affirmation of the rights and freedoms that Bush has sworn to protect. I am for peace, and I am for democracy...but I have a sick feeling in my stomach when I think of what we are doing and have done in the past in the middle east. It is hard to believe the media...healthy debate and open argument helps us to gauge public sentiment, and helps us to see the ignorance as well as the intelligence. Bravo Mr. Moore, for sparking further discussion on the issues throughout North America, and for not fearing to tread where others dare not.
Posted by amanda on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:55 AM Bravo for Michael Moore! His comments were the best part of the Oscar ceremony. Bush is a fascist pig and his war is nothing more than his plan for an American Corporate Empire ran by oil.
Posted by Richard Clark on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:59 AM Michael Moore has always had the respect of the British inteligencia. In the US you people get a different version of the news to that which we get here. Michael’s comments may seem extreme but that is in the context of a duped US public.
Peoples of the US you would do well to listen to this guy, he tells the truth.
Posted by joe on Mar 25, 2003 at 5:09 AM Bill wrote:
“Michael Moore is just wrong and perhaps bitter that the country took a right turn with the last presidential elections. Bush is the president and all of his words can’t change that. Perhaps he should do something positive sometime to see how it would feel.”
Have you READ Michael’s book? You do KNOW that Bush DIDN’T win the election?
And thanks for the grown up debate from those of you who think he should be “shot” etc. That’s democracy.
Posted by Stuart on Mar 25, 2003 at 5:21 AM send mr moore over to so damn insane, then, maybe,mr. moore would appreciate being in america.
Posted by vh on Mar 25, 2003 at 5:40 AM YOU MADE ME SORRY THAT I WASTED MY TIME WATCHING THE AWARDS.
Posted by becky on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:13 AM so, yeah: in response to vh’s post above, i would just like to say that currently American and British soldiers are dying, along with iraqi soldiers and civilians, because they were sent in by America’s last failed attempt at democracy. and of democracy: well, most of those in the armed forces currently risking their lives have no say in what they do, and if saying joining the army is giving up the right to choose independantly on moral grounds what to fight for, most of those in the services are there because, thanks to the structure of our economies and high-priced education systems, they had no other option. i am sure that the 5th corps currently ground to a halt 60 miles south of Baghdad are really appreciating the democracy they are fighting for now that they are in Iraq, but wait? what’s this? you mean they didn’t volunteer for this? involuntary criminals and accessories to murder are being made out of our soldiers who had no other choice. Support ‘Our Boys’. Bring them the fuck home!
Posted by Alex Hammond on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:28 AM i`m happy to see that the US is not made up 100% of hillbillies and that some people have the courage to say the truth. bravo, Mr Moore!
but also i`m surprised to see shameful censorship in a land of free speech,of liberty. people in countries like mine died to be democratic, but if this is the true face of democracy, then throw it into the sewer.
shame on you USA, shame on you, dubya.andi from romania (that`s somewhere in europe-in case some hillbillies are wondering.)
Posted by andi on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:06 AM I praise you on the coverage of the dysfunction of our leaders.
Posted by Wesley Rothermel on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:09 AM what is really quite incredible is how righteous america seems to get about people expressing any forthright views--whether one agrees with them or not. moore is a good social commentator, but far from a great one. why in gods name do you all get so worked up about what was essentially an inarticulate ramble on his part?
Posted by gareth s. on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:21 AM I think the public should boycott Michael Moore. There is a time and place for everything.
LET’S speak with our wallets.
Posted by Joe Mc on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:25 AM Thankyou for telling me the truth about this story, while the other media outlets were telling it twisted. Michael Moore is very smart - I saw his documentary and I agree with him.
Posted by Kedric Symington on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:33 AM Thanks for reporting the truth. I didn’t know about the stagehands boo-ing. MICHAEL MOORE FOR PRESIDENT!!!
Posted by Ima Yooper on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:50 AM Thanks for letting us know where the boos came from. Listening to them, I was angry at the entertainment elite’s response to Moore; I figured they just liked the soft stuff about peace on earth but couldn’t take the hard truth about corporate-chosen dictator we’re forced to call our President.
Down here, in the Gainesville, Florida area, they haven’t even shown Bowling for Columbine, so it’s no wonder much of the American public is so politically backward.
Posted by Skipper Hammond on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:53 AM Thanks MM, for speaking for me. I wish that I could hug you. I cheered for your award and comments. Keep defending common folks and agitating the influential manipulators.
Posted by Marvin Wagner on Mar 25, 2003 at 8:00 AM Moore highlights the problems with the media and how fear is used to scare people into buying more to reassure themselves. Everyone that I have spoken to refers to him with great respect for his courage in speaking out against a system that will sink to any level in order to accumulate wealth with little regard for morality.
Posted by Andrew R - C on Mar 25, 2003 at 8:52 AM Hello,
I, to, believe in peace. But how do you convince the other side, when their response is cut their throats?
tim
Posted by clinton swisher on Mar 25, 2003 at 8:55 AM Yes, please keep reporting these stories, and please keep bringing accurate, truthful, and legitimate news to the forefront for readers.
We are in desperate need of it.Yours,
John Kim
Posted by John Kim on Mar 25, 2003 at 9:04 AM The substandard manipulation in the media in trying to convince the global public into supporting the War only supports Moore in demonstrating the truth in his documentary, and from now on the media is now understood by nearly all not just some to bend the truth whenever it suits them. Hopefully praising Moore, people are not finally starting to think!
Posted by Jamie on Mar 25, 2003 at 9:15 AM It seems that many responders have not read “Stupid White American” or seen the documentary “Bowling for Columbine”, both creations of MM. Are they afraid of facts? MM is my hero. Bush does not make the top 100 list.
Posted by tk on Mar 25, 2003 at 9:23 AM Good story, but you should have had someone edit and proofread it.
Mr. Moore was correct and entirely appropriate and also true to himself. People have expected this since the nominations were announced.
Anyone who was watching the awards should have been able to tell for themselves that the audience was clapping behind the one row of people in the shot who were sitting politely and the volume on the boos suddenly went up.
I’d like to know why there weren’t more shots of audience reaction to Roman Polanski’s win. They stayed on Harrison Ford’s comical expression instead of the reaction to a fugitive rapist winning Best Director.
They always spin the awards coverage.
Posted by Moorefan on Mar 25, 2003 at 10:11 AM Michael is a writer & filmmaker...the fact that he is hugely successful is a tribute to his message as well as his skill. He took the unique opportunity offered by Oscar night to extend his influence as far as possible. Critics of that should realize he earned the opportunity to exercise his First Amendment rights by his work, and the recognition it received. He documents truth as he sees it, in the valued American tradition of Mark Twain, often uses satire to make his point, and leans on the Constitution and Bill of Rights in support of his efforts. Critics should read his books, see his films (earlier “Roger & Me” on the loss of American jobs from GM) and be grateful that this country still allows strong voices of dissent to be heard. We applaud his boldness and hope we are still a country that has the courage to value diversity of opinion! Cheers, Michael...and cheers Academy!
Posted by PeaceIsPatriotic on Mar 25, 2003 at 10:14 AM It is sad that the only time these opinions are allowed to air is in a live broadcast in an ambush from a respected liberal/activist and the comments from the ‘main’ media is a variation of misrepresentations of the events. America is not acting like America is a free and liberated land unless you happen to be right wingers, zelots and war hawks beleiving we have the right if we want to wage war on anyone we want any time we want for any reason we can be sold.
Posted by LARRY on Mar 25, 2003 at 10:19 AM In my opinion, Michael Moore represents to a large degree what I consider to be American. However, “American” being such a broad term, it also encompasses the things that Moore critizices the most. It is sad that the latter image has come to dominate the popular opinion throughout the world, the United States included. Lets not forget that the consitutional model created by the United States has been the model for most of the political development throughout the world --but only in principle, not in practice. Thus the broad fascination and mixed feelings that “American” can portray: from Michael Moore to Charlton Heston, from Martin Luther King Jr. to Ronald Reagan. Sadly, the voice of the first type is admired, while the actions of the second type are executed.
Peace
Posted by Marcelo on Mar 25, 2003 at 10:45 AM Thanks so much for your account about the events, what people ACTUALLY said, and how the national media is slanting the story. This report is a breath of fresh air!
Posted by Camille Chavez on Mar 25, 2003 at 10:49 AM Honestly, I was telling people what cowards we had in our presumably Democratic film industry until I read your story. The other versions I read had most of the audience booing him. Thanks.
Posted by Alan C. Leidner on Mar 25, 2003 at 10:55 AM This war is unjust. The facts are the facts. Michael Moore is a ‘truth-sayer’. He is right. The majority of people (world wide) do not think the war is justified. George Bush needs to take off the cowboy hat and get a new hobby!
Posted by Lynn on Mar 25, 2003 at 11:00 AM This is a great piece, but you should copyedit before publishing...alternative media need a legitimate counterweight to the mainstream spin.
Posted by Annissa Hambouz on Mar 25, 2003 at 11:18 AM Excellent article. As with many of my fellow Americans I am well aware that the corporate media is more interested in promoting war than telling the truth. They do so mainly by omission of the facts and repetition of a pro-war view. It is a sad state of affairs that that this country has come to. Thank you Mr. Bleifuss for some honest and in-depth reporting.
Posted by Stephen on Mar 25, 2003 at 11:27 AM Thank you for your clear thinking and your courage to express it, Michael Moore. I was so proud, when I heard you speak out at the academy awards. I realize that you had to compromise some of the happiest minutes in your life, in order to speak out for the good of mankind. You are a true hero.
Posted by Donna on Mar 25, 2003 at 11:33 AM good god, i don’t know what was better, the speech, the article, or all of these ignorant fucks that responded with “OHH HE SHOULD BE SHOT” Micahel Moore had every rightto say what he said. yes, it is a Democrasy, and he does have freedom of speech, so he should be shot? how fucking ignorant is that? After watching Bowling for Columbine, that doesn’t surprise me at all. “YEE-HAHHH let’s shoot that there man.” and you’re sitting there wearing a “ God don’t make no trash” t-shirt.
great comments though. worth a laugh.
Posted by Graeme on Mar 25, 2003 at 11:39 AM One more thing...Michael Moore is a hero for standing up and saying what he feels to be the truth. And it is what the majority of Americans think! (freedom of speech...remember that idea?) Bravo Michael!!
Posted by Lynn on Mar 25, 2003 at 11:56 AM what is illegal about this war? it was authorized in 3 separate UN resolutions and by both houses of the US Congress. Don’t you read?
Posted by Stan on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:13 PM Hi :we nedd more people like Michael Moore and you,even the mexican tv. and newspapers have a more objective view of what is going on with the invation on Iraq and other countries .I heard a profesor on the radio, who could not understand why the people of USA being a country so advanced did not know much about whats happening around the world and how other countries see the united states. thank you for [in these times ] I think is wonderful the work you do.
Posted by Emma on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:22 PM I feel quite threatened to know that the producers of the “awards” did not let Mr. Moore finish his words. I was thrilled to be hearing the truth spoken on television, but then, it appeared that the speaker was cut short on what he had to say. Are America’s right wingers feeling so insecure (even though they own the media and own the elections and have control of nearly the whole world) that they cannot even allow the truth to be spoken for more than two minutes?
Posted by Debra on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:23 PM Great article, thank-you for telling the truth about how the majority of the audience applauded Moore. His documentary is something EVERYONE needs to see. I wish more people would make movies like that!!
Posted by kris on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:33 PM I’d love to see Bush’s dad hit him on the head with a frying pan. That day my victory will be complete, just like MM.
Posted by Jason McCarey on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:45 PM It is sad that an american like michael moore used the academy award to express his political views which makes him an oppurtunistic to grab a bigger audience. He wants peace but his speech is full of hate it is really sad to waste that hateful energy toward a good president rather than going to a gym and do something about that disgusting fat hanging around his ugly body.
Posted by MMHater on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:45 PM It is in the story, but I think it needs greater emphasis than was given. Judging from the fact the Moore invited all the other nominees in his category up to the stage with him and that he read a prepared statement, I believe a) that all of them either drafted or subscribed to his statement; b) that whoever won was going to read the statement and that it wasn’’t only Moore that took that position—it was all the nominees in that category.
The reason I’m stressing this, is that it wasn’t a Michael Moore Star moment, the way your headline reads. Instead, it was a statemewnt from ALL the documentary film makers who had been nominated.
Sincerely,
Gene Glickman
Posted by Gene Glickman on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:47 PM I think Mr. Moore did a great favor to the people of the USA a great favor showing to the worlds that there is good and decent people in that country, too. A bold statement when we the people around the world who oppose the Iraki invasion (that is certanly not a war but an invasion) were thinking that people from USA were so guilty of that massacre as the people of the Nazi Germany share a responsability of the Holocaust.
People of USA should be grateful with Mr. Moore!
The people of the rest of the world, not just arabs and europeans, but asians and latinamericans, don’t buy Mr. Bush lies. He and his kind has always persued his selfish interests and not the worlds, not even the american people interests.
I am from South America living in Mexico, belive me, Mr. Moore did you a great favor, showing another face of american people, not just the usual one who mourns each one of their deads, but could not care less for the lives of civilians in the rest of the world.
Mr. Moore is a good man.
Marta
Posted by Martha on Mar 25, 2003 at 12:48 PM Thank you. Why is it so hard to get the real news? I appreciate your coverage of this.
JG
Posted by Jeannie Graves on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:24 PM Fue una alegria ver que aun hay gente decente y valiente en el IV Reich. This is the America of the world. Not the New Nazis of Bush and company. inc
Posted by jose manuel on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:36 PM If you like MM and the Dixie Chicks,
you’ll love the paintstaking investigative reporting of Greg Palast, author of the new bestseller ‘The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.’There are lots of good articles on his website, including the chilling expose of the Great Election Theft.
The truth shall make you free.
Posted by Harvard Boy on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:38 PM Shame on Michael Moore!!!
He is a big man, but apparently not big enough to suck it up and be an American and show some support.
My heart goes out to the troops and their families and the sacrifices they have made and continue to make. Apparently, Mr. Moore and his teammates don’t get it. There’s something more they don’t get, anymore of my money. Say goodbye to my bucks at the box office. And by the way, if Mr. Moore and all of his teammates want to know how to use their fame in a way that is truely American? Do something to help the families of the troops. Lots of people are missing their moms, dads, brothers, sister, daughters, and sons. Be an American an show some support.
Posted by Barry Ford on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:39 PM Thank God people who think like Moore exist in America today. What Peter Williams says about foreigners not liking your war mongering is absolutely true. Who made USA the police of the planet? What is America going to do when it has disarmored every country except itself? I think it’s Hitler all over again.
How about America being the first to get rid of its weapons? I think it’s a work of a coward who takes the enemy’s weapons away before attacking him. That’s what Bush has done. I think America needs more attacks like the one on the twin towers. It would make you less violent towards other countries. American public does not know what war is because they are always fighting them in other countries.
Posted by StefanÌa on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:40 PM MM is doing the right thing. He has the bravery to do something about the indecencies in our nation. If only every one who felt the same way had the strength to do the same, we would live in a much improved nation.
Posted by Matt Krasucki on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:51 PM Does Michael Moore speak the truth? I was in the audience at the Kodak on Oscar night. Most of the orchestra section stood and applauded loudly the announcement of Michael Moore’s win. When the booing started it did not come from stagehands backstage. The boos were so loud in the audience that you could not hear the the rest of Michael’s speech if you were in the theatre. There were also several yells from the audience for Michael to, “sit down.” At the end of speech there was faint applause from the same faithful in the orchestra section. Don’t just take my word for it or Mr Moore’s, find out from others in attendence if you are really interested in the truth!
Posted by An Oscar Attendee on Mar 25, 2003 at 1:58 PM Thanks for setting the record straight on how Mr. Moore’s speech was received. The loud booing that was heard only makes sense if it came from stagehands and not the body of people who voted to make Mr. Moore an Oscar winner. More importantly, HE WAS RIGHT!
Posted by SB Shaw on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:01 PM For many months we hear rumor of war. Many months the Bush Administration used specific words to prepare us to accept the reason and logic of his crusade. Mr. Bush spoke, so why don’t we have the right to speak and express our concern or show the world that war is not always a solution. I might not agree with every words of Mr. Moore, but he was not afraid to take a stand. We should all make our voice be heard in a civilize manner.
Posted by Misha on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:05 PM After reading this article, and other newspaper articles about MM’s speach, I realize what HollyWood is about. BULLSHIT!
They make up the fucking 30% that are against the war on Iraq! They are what makes this country look like a bunch of fools and idiots!.
MM and the 30% are not Americans, they are revolutionists, people who deserve to be fighting FOR Iraq. We should not only be heading a war against Iraq, but against the ignorrant people of America.
See what the Public Schools system has done to our youth? Infused idiotic/moronic ideals and philosophies.
Posted by Charles Perkins on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:11 PM Why doesn’t Moore tell about the stunts he pooled in Fishkill NY. He upset a whole city, just like he upset the US military. Do not assume the military does not want to be in Iraq. We know what is going on and what will come if we leave hime there. Not you that have refused to join military.
Posted by Scott on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:14 PM Hi,
thanks to keeping up the truth, I was already loosing hope for planet earth in the grips of all mighty american money. Good to see there is some courage still within this doomed society. One thing is for sure: although the americans love to see themselves as the spearhead and best of the the post cold war world, they are actually in degeneration, a society whose way of live is killing the diversity on this planet. They are sucking all resource to feed their never-ending hunger for more, in their fantasies they have already left this planet behind- no other people on this planet have this desire for the stars - and now its star wars time. Sad story to see so many people falling victim to the lies and propaganda of the white house, and even sadder to see how vicious they react on someone having the guts to speak out the obvious truth - the emperor is naked.
Posted by a simple mind on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:16 PM The media is heavily influenced by government, and the media controlls the minds of many Americans. Moore took his opportunity in the national spotlight to explain another side to this sick situation we are in. Moore has balls...CNN does NOT.
Posted by Bill Seaman on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:17 PM Do you democrates/liberal’s/leftist/Actors support that Saddam has not allowed his people to leave the city. Why don’t you go there to protest the war now. You chicken shits. Have any of you gone to Iraq to actually talk to these people or do you presume to know it ALL.
Posted by A realist on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:18 PM We all know our goverment plays games. So does every other politicain in the world. They are all self deserving just like an actor. That does not resolve the fact that Saadam is all about the power and money and he will kill whom ever to get more. So maybe Bush, Clinton, Saadam are all the same, but when the shit here hits the fan again you same people are going to blame Bush for not doing enough to stop it.
Posted by So what on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:23 PM I boo’d at home too.
I boo’d because he opened his protest with lies. He often does.
Anyone who still maintains that the 2000 election was ficticious AND therefore the president is ficticious is WILLING to promote untruths as truth.
Why should the public ever accept any future “non-"fiction documentaries from Moore?
ForeverMoore his “reporting” will always be suspect. He is as masterful a promoter using false information as the administration he claims to target.
Personally, I believe he has just found a nitch with which he can gain publicity and make money.
He’s as evil a capitalist manipulator as there ever was.
Posted by D. S. on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:27 PM Thankyou for telling the truth about how the audience applauded moore. Moore’s documentary is a MUST-SEE for everyone. I wish there were more people making movies like his.
Posted by kris on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:38 PM You guys are stupid if you believe this story, that was not stage hands!!! GIVE ME A BREAK, if that was the case then every award would be like that. Only FUCKING FOOLS would believe that, Moore is a fat git ugly and stupid and he was rightfully booed for his boorish and rude rant. shame on Juel for passing this crap, you idiots
Posted by Stupid liberals on Mar 25, 2003 at 2:50 PM I find it amusing how Moore talks about how paranoia is the product of unsubstantiated fear (boogeymen, if you will), yet a large majority of his FOLLOWERS are these conspiracy theorists who claim we are living in a facist police state.
Love always,
MikeyPS: How’s this for a fictitious election: Hussein received 100% of the Iraqi vote with 100% voter turnout. THAT my fellow Americans, is fictitious.
Posted by Michael Moore on Mar 25, 2003 at 3:26 PM Everyday I thank God for folks like Michael Moore who stand up and tell it like it is. Already he’s getting sentiments such as “Give him a one way ticket to Baghdad”, “Let’s nuke him.” The real issue here is that here’s one white guy who’s calling his own on the carpet for screwing up our country. Stolen land built up with stolen people, all the while giving the masses the shaft time and again. Moore is treated like a pariah in the white world because he refuses to tow the line of privilege built on the color line. Shame on those who booed him. Shame on those who think he should be strung up. If this is America then send me to the moon. I don’t want to live where folks who think differently from the dominant (WASP male) culture are not, and never were, welcome.
Posted by PP on Mar 25, 2003 at 3:41 PM The only difference between michael moore and the people that are against him is he believes that he HASNT figured everything out yet. I find that anyone who thinks they know everything and the way they think is the only way, are often the most ignorant and dangerous people. Michael Moore has actually gone out an researched the information he spews out, and I doubt he learned it all by watchng TV, unlike most ingorant people who BLINDLY believe anything that CNN has to tell them. What I would like to say to anyone that supports this war, is just try as hard as you can to think WHAT IF you were being decieved? Just try as hard as you can to wonder what if the agenda isn’t the one that the media is telling you. TRY as hard as you can to do that, and you’ll realize its a pretty scary idea and you might start to worry that maybe you dont have all the facts after all.
Posted by Andrew on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:23 PM At this period of our history MM has my vote as being one hell of a couragous man. We need many more like him to lead the way for those of us who don’t have the same voice, courage, or platform to speak out. God Bless You Michael!
Posted by R. Dyer on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:27 PM We always been in war with Saddam since the mid 80’s. This first time the us is going kick Saddam ass. You stupid hippies!!
Posted by mike suxs on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:46 PM I don’t care if Hollywood develops a black list because I believe that those entertainers who falsely believe that it’s correct for them to use their entertainment popularity as a platform to pit themselves against elected officials will soon find out that their actions have been duly noted in a very negative light. I, along with many of my friends, am no longer an avid fan of quite a few skilled entertainers, not because of their views, but because they have mistaken popularity for morality. Don’t forget that a recent poll showed that 80% of Americans don’t listen to their views anyway. We don’t listen to you, and we now won’t be seeing your movies. The quicker you are out of sight and out of earshot, the better.
Posted by Lucy Harris on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:51 PM The nerve such an anti uncivil obedience proponent make! Just outraged!! Get over it. Free speech is out-of-fashion. Doesn’t Moore and his cohorts know that our American oil has been under their Middle Eastern sands for a long time? Yeah, an’ they’re the ones who stole it right beneath our eyes, those, those, those, you’re the one, you’re the one…
Posted by Felix Culpa on Mar 25, 2003 at 4:55 PM World Peace = False Hope
Everlasting Peace = Believe in Jesus Christ as you Lord savior!
Posted by Mitch on Mar 25, 2003 at 5:23 PM MM for president! Honestly how can George Dubya justify the insanely expensive war when YOU, the American public have second rate public education, unaffordable health care, having your superannuation S#$ted over and a stagnating local economy? If you still support Dubya, either you are blind or simply just stupid.
Posted by Jaz on Mar 25, 2003 at 5:25 PM All you think about is your stupid pay check.
YOU the people dont want to pay extra taxes for health care and public schools. So Shut the fuck up!
Posted by Sam Li on Mar 25, 2003 at 5:32 PM Thank you for your story. Michael Moore is a hero of mine and I applaud him for his courageous statements on Sunday night. I hope that more of our Senators and Congressmen will take a cue from him, show some backbone and speak out against this unlawful and unnecessary war. Remember the words of the bumper sticker, “Regime Change Begins at Home!”
Posted by Peter on Mar 25, 2003 at 5:52 PM To Stan who doesn’t know why this war is illegal, read: http://www.rise4news.net/Clark.html
and to those who think that democrats are against the war and republicans are for it, you should know that Leiberman has been strongly supporting these war efforts while Bush sr has actually been criticizing his son’s lack of judgement.
need proof? see: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-605441,00.html
and did you stop to think that maybe those of us who may be opppsed to war feel that way because we don’t want our troops to be shipped off to be massacred in an insane battle that they don’t understand?
I don’t like war which means I don’t like seeing people getting killed, especially those who are out there fighting for my country. All you pro bush folks out there don’t support our troops, you support unneccessary death and destruction.
Posted by rachel on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:00 PM to Charles Perkins
if there was a war waged against ignorance, you’d be the enemy.
Posted by anne on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:07 PM I keep wondering when people are going to wake up. It is 2003 and we are still for against each other. Hello!! I wish the more intelligent beings in the Universe would hurry up and get here and help us before we destroy ourselves completely.
As for Michael Moore and his comments, I applaude him. It is sad that some people act like freedom of speech only applies to people that support the President and his heinous acts. Freedom of speech is what your sons, brothers, fathers, grandfathers and daughters, sisters, mothers and grandmothers have given their lives for!! The more we continue to act complacent in our views, the more the Stupid White Men will win. Thank you Michael Moore for your courage. Thank you “In These Times” for your courage to print the truth.
Posted by Rosgardn on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:07 PM Thanks for this. ‘Til reading I was confused about what happened. Watching on TV it seemed as if Mike was loudly booed which, from the appearance of the audience - many weren’t doing anything but looking stunned - didn’t make sense.
I like Mike Moore’s work, and had hoped he would go along with the more subdued anti-war message of the evening. On the other hand, his noisy critics no doubt would have complained anyway.
Posted by Joanne on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:07 PM Sam Li from China Town writes: “All you think about is your stupid pay check.
YOU the people dont want to pay extra taxes for health care and public schools. So Shut the f… (edited) up!”DC taxpayers pay annually over 9,000 dollars a student yet over 75% of the students there do not pass basic competency tests.
It is not a matter of money it is a matter of values.
My son attends a private school, yet receives a superior education than is given at gov’t schools, feels safe, has interaction with kids from a wider range of ethnicity and wealth than at his local gov’t school, and is taught Christian morals and values, as opposed to the valueless instruction that his gov’t school peers receive.
The dollar cost of ‘educating’ his gov’t school peers is 6000 dollars over 2000 dollars more than it cost to educate my son.Regarding health care (and regarding education) neither is a right, but rather both are responsibilites.
Posted by Carl Snodgrass on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:16 PM anyone who thinks the shrub is our president should read Greg Palast, “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy”, 2nd edition. He’s not my president, and he’s not yours.
Posted by geoffrey on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:26 PM Paul from Seattle writes:
“Hey Mr Snodgrass-
You certainly cannot win an argument about who is more eloquent - the persuasive Moore who causes US executives to stammer in response to his questions, or Bush, who stammers constantly because he has no clue about what he is saying? You can produce Bush’s degrees (if they are, indeed real), but the man is indisputably simple-minded, has a poor grasp of the issues, and is an embarrassment to any US citizen who values a leader of intellect. Please don’t disgrace yourself by trying to assert that little Bush has a defensible mental capability. Just listen to him…Paul,
You might consider your own writing, especially your punctuation before lambasting another for their intellect. Further, it is not a man’s intellect that concerns me, but his wisdom or lack thereof. Finally, readers of history will point out to you that many of our greatest Presidents suffered in oratory, writing, or other skills.
As for Mr. Moore specifically, he is a talented editor that is for sure. See: http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
It is too bad he doesn’t use his gifts to be a blessing, but instead of a
Carl :-)!
Posted by Carl Snodgrass on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:33 PM ..., but instead chooses to be a burden. :-)! Carl
Posted by Carl Snodgrass on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:35 PM Michael Moore is the worst Human on the face of the earth. I want to clarify my last response. I do not want Anti-Americans as Mooreless is to think I meant the great man we have in the Presidency(Comander and Chief Mr. Bush). I am from the hometown of the worthless Mikey Mooreless as we call him here. He is Anti everything and could care less of our own benefits as long as he wins something. Award, recognition, and/or a sitting with our old Mayor he backed that put the city in the state takeover proceedings. See Ya Later
Posted by Rod on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:50 PM Michael Moore is just one of the many dreamers living in make believe land (Hollywood). 911 was real. They want to kill all of us, and will keep trying unless we stand up and fight. He is just fatter and uglier than most and has more to gripe about. Maybe he should do some torture documentaries for Sodom or his son Goofus.
Posted by Donaldo on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:51 PM mr snodgrass,
its pretty silly of you to think bush is any better than moore because of a college education. see, I received my bachelor’s degree from a great, private liberal arts university after attending three years of private high school. right now I am in a position making $25 grand a year.
My boyfriend, on the other hand, never did go to college, yet is currently employed as a network security engineer making close to $100 grand a year.
tell me again what difference college makes?
Posted by college grad on Mar 25, 2003 at 6:51 PM I must say something again, after reviewing the posts. Specifically, on a few things I saw:
1. Support for the troops: Many people seem to think that anti-war protest is cruel and disrespectful for the troops fighting in the middle-east. Whats worse, being brainwashed and fighting for a false cause, or protesting for the lives of innocent and even ignorant people. I think what is way more horrible and dispicable is the fact that those who died in 9/11 have been used as leverage to start a war against IRAQ. People get so blinded by the loss and there previous beliefs that they cannot see past this. No one ever thought that the two were unrelated, or maybe, just maybe the U.S. funded Bin-Laden in the first place.
2. Being American: I’m not sure what this means. Did I have a choice in the matter? Why not be a “Human” instead of discriminating? I’m often embarassed to be labelled as an American, if you think about the ways that we all became one. To quote Bill Hicks “Ya, I’m American. My parents fucked here”.
3. ATTACKING IRAQ: Let’s just assume that our government possibly didn’t want a REASON to go after IRAQ. Does anyone ever wonder if “the terroists” have done to America exactly what they wanted to? Now were at war, killing “our own” and pissing off the rest of the world. Man I FEEL SAFE NOW!
4. GOD? What does god have to do with anything? To be honest, Christian beliefs scare the “hell” out of me. Anyone that goes around basing there views on something that has absoultely no bearing on reality, is somewhat frightening. What scares me more, is how instrumental Christianity can be. Think about it: If you are convinced that you will die and go into eternal bliss and peace, it makes it pretty fucking easy to push you around now! The whole reason Christianity sprung up was because of a people trying to justify there horrid, painful, oppressive lives.
In closing (hopefully someone took the time to read all that, and if so, i appreciate it), I would like to end with a quote that I (unfortunately) cannot remember the author:
“Humankind is the link between apes and civilized human beings”
Posted by andrew on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:00 PM Okay, since this has degenerated from a discussion of whether or not Micheal Moore had the right to say what he did - and in America, it should be a short conversation - to a discussion as to whether or not he’s right, I’ll add my bit.
He’s right. And, it doesn’t matter all that much.
What matters, in the long run, is not the the Un-American (but fairly constitutional) manuvering that put Shrub in office, or who or how many die in Iraq, or for what reason.
What matters is this: We have effectively destroyed the NATO alliance. The relationships with our neigbors in the rest of the West may not recover from this New Dirty Little War, and it will not make the world a safer place. The effectiveness of charasmatic tyrants the world over has been checkmated for decades by the West’s collective opposition to wars of aggression. Taking out this charasmatic little tyrant with a war of aggression led by our own little facist will remove any will or moral imperative among our old WWII allies to stop the next expansionist regime.
Posted by Todd on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:12 PM Never before in the history of humanity has so much power lain in the hands of so few. No empire has ever had at its disposal such terrifying military, economic and media power as modern America. You may think there is nothing wrong with that, and I would tentatively agree, so long as America remains a benevolent force, true to the principles upon which it was built. But from the outside it seems a long time since America has been motivated by anything but self-interest. And so the world watches; how will the Bush administration wield America’s power? Is the goodness of their hearts as deep as their pockets or as numerous as their weapons? Are their spirits as adept at healing as they are capabale of destruction? Certainly now the clear answer is “no”. The American people are faced with a war. The fate of the world may rest in their hands. The war is to regain control of their nation from those usurpers who would exploit America and the World to further their own interests. The first battle to be fought is to wake the American citizenry from its disinformed slumber. Micheal Moore is one of too few American heroes fighting this battle. He is not perfect, yet nor does he claim perfection. He seems to me to be a very ordinary man. Yet he fights for his country with a bravery that makes ME proud, and I’m not even American. He is standing on America’s couch, slapping its fat vacant face and screaming “Wake up! They’re screwing you over! Do something!” I hope, for all our sakes, that America hears him.
Posted by nick on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:18 PM 3 Cheers for the working people of America who booed the jack ass off the stage. I wouldn’t give these hollywood celebs the sweat off my balls.
Posted by gb on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:35 PM Michael Moore is an idiot! I think his mind is fictitious!
Posted by Scott on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:36 PM HE SHOULD SHAVE THAT 3 DAY GROWTH OFF, DON’T YOU THINK?
HE CAN SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS, HE’S STILL A SMALL MINDED OPPORTUNIST.
Posted by cake on Mar 25, 2003 at 7:56 PM Nick,
I didn’t say that I saw nothing wrong with it, I said it didn’t matter.
And, while America’s military might and control of its own media are unquestioned, it pockets are considerably less deep. This, I feel will wake my fellow Americans up considerably faster than the realization that our Government is less than benevolent, or even the most entertaining and insightful voice of our Mr Moore.
God help us, but Americans, especially of the Left, have come to believe that simply agreeing with a subversive voice is the same thing as subversion. As much as the voices for the Right piss me off with their bumper sticker support for this war, at least there are a number of them actually out fighting it.
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