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e) Hillary won NH because the vote was erroneous or fraudulent. Yeah ... I am leaning towards 'e' for my answer. Voting clerks making errors and machines eating ballots. Anomalies when the machine count is compared to the hand count. Machines and people being susceptible to error and fraud. Given that most politicians are professional liars and/or pigs at the trough. And that there is little difference between either of your political parties ... it's a wonder Americans bother to vote at all. Maybe it's time to start from scratch because the current system is fixed and broken at the same …

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You are what you eat. Dis-moi ce que tu manges, je te dirai ce que tu es. (Tell me what you eat and I will tell you what you are.) - Anthelme Brillat-Savarin Der Mensch ist, was er isst. (The man is what he eats) - Ludwig Andreas Feuerbach And truer words, metaphorically speaking, were never spoken. Genetically modified? Cloned? Bad enough that they make these frankenfoods and worse yet that they won't tell if you are eating them. Simple foods. Raw foods. Whole foods. Good foods! If possible - eat food you have grown or raised yourself or food that …

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Don’t eat so much. - Good advice, Kuya. Anyone who wants to try it might consider fasting for 2 or 3 days and then start eating again (hopefully good food) . They will find that the food tastes incredible and their stomach simply can't hold as much as it used to.

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Way Past, I am considering the possibility that you are a troll who is pretending to be a blood thirsty gun owner because with your statements like "I may need my handguns to kill "LIberals" some day. That is all I care about. " you are doing an excellent smear job making gun owners (and conservatives) look bad.

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Way Past, I took some time to read some of your essays on your website and had a few good laughs (with you - not at you). And I agree with much of what you have to say regarding natural rights. But when you start talking about hunting and killing liberals I feel that you are detracting from what could be a good message. So you shouldn't be surprised if people dismiss you as a blood thirsty gun nut (with an unhealthy obsession with liberals) considering some of the statements you make. I might be willing to kill for my natural …

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Nah, it's not blasphemous. God likes a good laugh too.

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Wolf, America is becoming a fascist state. That is scarier than specious allegations of Iran having or seeking to aquire nuclear weapons. And what about the crazies that rule your country who are wreaking havoc in Iraq with nuclear wepaons in the form of depleted uranium weapons? And the same crazies are threatening Iran with nuclear attack. Incredible hubris and a fine example of the pot calling the kettle black. How sad it is that your self perception of cultural superiority seems to prevent you from appreciating the wealth and knowledge of other countries and cultures. I pity you and those …

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Whattheheck, what about America's attempt to gain empire ? Are you really that blind that you can't see that the enemy is us (you)? What about the radicals in your own government who seem to be hell bent on attacking Iran just as Iraq was attacked without legitimate cause? Why is your solution dependant on a military threat ? Isn't there a better way?

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As for the article ... "Another War We Can’t Afford" That's for sure. Economically and more importantly morally. Unless being both economically and morally bankrupt is the intention. Army Gen. David Petraeus - “you can’t win in Iraq … just in Iraq.” A victory in Iraq necessitates “greater involvement with respect to some of the neighboring countries, some of the source countries for foreign fighters. … And it certainly involves Iran.” Senator Joe Lieberman - “the Iranian government by its actions has declared war on us,” President Bush - accusing Iran of putting the Middle East “under the shadow of a …

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Wolf, type "fascism america" into your favorite search engine and do some reading. Here are a couple examples: 14 points of fascism The Dawning of Fascism in America It's a reality and brushing it off as simply rhetoric with little substance is cowardly or ignorant. You say Iran has made it clear they want nukes . Assuming you mean nuclear weapons ... do you have any evidence for this assertion? Currently Iran insists they are pursuing peaceful nuclear technology and the IAEA backs this up. Any allegations from the United States about Iran attempting to develop nuclear are simply that ... …

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Whattheheck, sorry that I overlooked your reply and please forgive the lateness of my counter-reply. "Love your enemies? Turn the other cheek?" Yes ... and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. "Would you do away with the RCMP?" No. The RCMP did not invade and occupy Iraq and is not threatening Iran with the same. "Check out history - without enforcement civilization would disintegrate. Who, how and to what degree is debatable, but not IF. " I am watching civilization in Iraq disintegrate and the USA is primarily responsible for it. Who will enforce the law …

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Aunty, you state " Nuclear weapons are the only ones we respect, and since President Bushllit's invasion of Iraq the Iranians have been trying to build one. Note: since the invasion of Iraq the Iranians have been trying to build one. " I will ask you the same question I asked Wolf when he made a similar statement that alleged the Iranians are building nuclear weapons. Where is the evidence for your allegation? Did President Bush say so? Here is an example of evidence that refutes your allegation: "A recent House of Representatives committee report on Iran's nuclear capability is "outrageous …

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Whattheheck, That's good to know because it's always better if two people at odds reason together rather than one reaching for a weapon to settle the argument regardless of the merit of their position. As for your hypothetical situation I can't provide an absolute answer but I would do everything I could to avoid violence simply because I feel it is more harmful to myself to inflict harm on others regardless of their actions. Hard to grasp but it's the way I feel. Planes crash - no detonation. Yes, but radioactive materials scattered over land is not something to brush off …

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Recursive Prophet, good to see you too. Not many leaves or olives left on the branch but I persevere.

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I am pro-life (but am pro-choice for much the same reasons Aunty mentioned). I am a believer (I will believe what I will to believe) too and the Bible does not specifically forbid abortion and does not treat the loss of a fetus the same as the death of a living person (ie. tooth for tooth and eye for eye). If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the …

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Aunty, you said The far- right uses abortion to create division and I agree but isn't it also true that the far-left uses similar tactics? And isn't the whole left versus right mindset that so many people subscribe to creating division as well? As well you say right-wingers love to punish. Especially, they love to punish those who can't defend themselves and once again I would agree but with the caveat that unborn children can't defend themselves (as many people on the pro-life side of the abortion debate are so fond of pointing out). Anyways ... wanted to make a point …

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NAFTA, et al sucks. The Green Party, up here in Canada, is for withdrawing from (or possibly renegotiating) NAFTA. They would (and do) get my vote on that policy alone (as well as for many other worthy ideas).

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Whattheheck, what do you think of Congressman (and possible presidential candidate) Ron Paul ?

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Nothing to say anyone? Nuclear boogeyman got your tongues? Scary stuff, eh?

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Cosby, welcome. Great posts! I have been saying much the same for years. It's good to see someone else willing to speak out about the American saber rattling at Iran. You said "Osama Bin Laden would love to have Bush's body count ." and in a way he does. Or at least gains some advantage from it. It's a win win situtation for anyone who believes that violence solves problems. Whattheheck, when you say ..."I can't refute the idea that a lot of countries have a low opinion of the U.S. and not totally without cause. However, I don't agree that …

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Iams712, your last two posts here show a lack of respect. Please remember that we are all guests of ITT at their forums and they have asked us to be respectful in our comments.

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I don't think it is so much a loaded question as it is loaded answers. And certainly getting more humorous! But the answers we choose are no less true.

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Everything was beautiful, and nothing hurt. Thank you Mr. Vonnegut.

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Whattheheck, gardens are beautiful. I hope you don't mind me thanking Luminous Beauty for the gift Posted by luminous beauty on Apr 18, 2007 at 6:25 AM . Luminous Beauty, thanks. It was bitter and sweet. But mostly sweet!

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The use of depleted uranium is a war crime. Plain and simple. Tex, your callous attitude towards people in the Middle East, exemplified by your derogatory use of the word Haji which in proper usage is a term of respect, is LOATHSOME. Remember ... blessed are the peacemakers.

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Mike - Major was simply quoting from the text of the article to answer Cabbie's question "What does that have to do with the Israeli refusniks?" Major - that's a lot of light bulbs!

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"... peak oil ... haven't found a reason not to believe ..." Healthy skepticism. I am not saying "peak oil" is a scam. But it could be. And, real or not, it could be used to manipulate us ... to war, to conservation or to development of alternative energy sources. If I were a betting man my money would be on the (red) horse of war. Sadly. Keep in mind that scarcity, even a manipulated artificial scarcity , means higher prices and higher profits. The consequences of "peak oil", such as resource wars, may be in our future but it may …

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Exactly what is "quite unlikely" ? The oil sands up here are a booming business. They extract more now than they used to and are making plans to extract more in the future. bitumen reserve largely untapped (pdf file) -- "Bitumen production in Alberta has increased by 59 per cent (143 million barrels) annually since 2000." trillion barrel tar pit -- "Alberta sits atop the biggest petroleum deposit outside the Arabian peninsula - as many as 300 billion recoverable barrels and another trillion-plus barrels that could one day be within reach using new retrieval methods." "(unless you think the oil companies …

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Sceneshistoriques, I think I see the problem you have with that portion of my statement. My apologies for the misunderstanding. I wrote "... deposits of oil sands that are recoverable at prices quite a bit lower than current oil prices." Oops - that could sound like I am saying it costs less to recover and my correction is ... deposits of oil sands that are recoverable and profitable at prices quite a bit lower than current oil prices. Still clumsy so let me explain what I mean. When oil was selling for under $ 30 per barrel it wasn't economically feasible …

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Scenehistoriques, I clarified my statement at Posted by David in Canuckistan on Apr 19, 2007 at 9:19 PM . It was not my intention to say that the costs of recovering oil from sands is less than drilling to conventional oilfields. Again my apologies for the confusion. Canada is in the top 10 of oil producing countries and including the oil sands has the second largest reserves. The development of the oil sands production has only begun fairly recently and is gaining momentum. Jon B, lots of industries in Canada get tax breaks for a variety of reasons and the Athabasca …

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Kuya, lots of room up here in Canuckistan. There is an vacant igloo just beyond the big snowdrift that you could move into. It would be great to have you as a neighbour and we could use your help when we start clearing the snow and planting the orange tree groves.

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You bet! My grandpa told stories of how when he was young he was the best gopher catcher in his village back in the Ukraine. His family would eat the meat and save the skins to make winter coats. Seriously.

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Hi Natalie! How are you? Still selling (or buying?) snake oil? "kidnapped British soldiers that were clearly NOT in their waters, and are now proceeding to parade them for the cameras " They were detained, not kidnapped. Otherwise Guantanamo is full of kidnapping victims. Yes? I would also remind you that CNN (and others) have shown video of 'detainees' on parade as well. And whose water it is has NOT been proven to my satisfaction. For instance ... "The Iran/Iraq maritime boundary shown on the British government map does not exist. It has been drawn up by the British Government," "Those …

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"they kidnapped British soldiers that were clearly NOT in their waters" So ... we agree that they have detained the British soldiers that were clearly in waters whose boundaries are disputed ? Yes? Much better, Natalie, thanks for the clarification. I did not say that they were violating the treaty. And I did not say "you" did ... I ... (that's me) ... stated that they were not violating the treaty. Come on, Natalie, you can do better than that! And your attempts to make it appear my words supported the actions of the Iranian government are equally lame. "almost certainly …

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Natalie, please don't support the warmongering of your nation. Please ... for the good of your soul! What's your opinion on the Iraq war these days, Natalie? Is there a war you don't like? Do the good guys always win? Will they have stars on their bellies or no? Are you a Yook or a Zook? Do you butter your bread butter-side up or butter it butter-side down?

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Hi Natalie, I am happy to see you agree that whose water it is does not seem to be so clear as you first asserted. And yes I would agree that it is possible that the Iranian government's detention of these British soldiers is a violation of international law. (Now the US/UK invasion of Iraq ... that was a violation of international law. Yes? Was it a wise war? And in retrospect?) I did not reproduce your sentence out of context, Natalie. Perhaps I added to the context by pointing out a point you had perhaps forgotten. Your sentence was carefully …

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Consider the treatment the British sailors and marines are receiving. Note the smiling faces and relaxed atmosphere with food and flowers and compare it to the way detainees are treated at Abu Ghraib Prison and Guantanamo Detainment Camp.

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I guess that would make sense if ... Treating people with respect and dignity always makes sense. But the point was really just how unbiased and independent ... I agree that the Iranian media is biased but I see the same bias from the media of any country. For example, if CNN (or BBC) was less biased perhaps instead of repeating ad nauseum Tony Blair's assertion that "they were in Iraqi waters" perhaps they could report that the waters are disputed. Instead of repeating ad nauseum that the soldiers were "under a UN mandate" they could report that the mandate does …

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I retract the word same and extend the word different . So my words should read "a different bias" . Thanks for the correction, Natalie.

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What is fabricated and state dictated , Natalie? What is sufficiently descriptive ? What is context ? The smiles (and smirks) on their faces? Do you think after the photo opportunity that the evil Iranians took that bowl of fruit (I saw the bananas!) on the table and tortured the detainees in horrible and terrible ways?

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This morning I was watching CNN (it does suck) and they announced that the 15 British sailors and marines are being released.

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Arpie, although I respect your opinion I must disagree. Natalie has as much right to participate in these discussions as anyone. If nothing else her commentary provides a contrast by which we develop and improve our own commentary. So, you see, having a discussion with Natalie does help me attain new insights and ideas. Beyond that ... Natalie and I are old friends. If I ignored her I am afraid her feelings might be hurt. And out of my concern for her, and others like her, I feel compelled to encourage them to overcome a lifetime of patriotically pathologic indoctrination. …

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"I never said or insinuated that Natalie didn't have the right to participate here." "Show me where I said she shouldn't be allowed or didnt have the right to post here?" Arpie, maybe its just semantics then; "This will be my last reply on this or other topics to you [Nat], and I would strongly recommend other users here follow suit." Sounds to me like you are trying to deny her participation by boycotting any dialogue with her and encouraging others to the same (much the same way that the USA treats Iran). Technically not denying the right to comment here …

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“I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn human actions, but to understand them” -- Baruch de Spinoza

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"Thanks David, you are truly a nice guy, although I don't think the leadership in Iran deserves as much benefit of the doubt as you think they do." Thank you, Natalie. I think that everyone deserves the benfit of the doubt until all doubt is removed. And even then there is mercy for mistakes and forgiveness for faults. "confronting them; as I said before-go for it. Not me. I will engage you and LB on issues of faith, but I am no longer willing to give Jehovah's Witnesses any of my limited time. Get the connection?-Arpie" Arpie, that's funny because I …

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My way of joking is to tell the truth. That's the funniest joke in the world. -- Muhammad Ali

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I know David has since realized it was all nonsense, and I suspect others have as well. I also hope David has realized that the treatment the British hostages recieved was anything but accurately portrayed by state-run Iranian TV. Yes, Natalie. The official government approved story of what happened on 9/11 is quite likely nonsense. No, Natalie. The treatment of the British detainees as portrayed on Iranian television was mostly accurate.

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Yes, Natalie, you did misinterpret my statement. As I said ... a healthy touch of paranoia - defined as a suspicion of the motives of others. Well deserved skepticism. "And on exactly what basis do you come to your conclusion that the British hostages were somehow telling the truth while in captivity, and lying after they got safely home???" Detainees. But this question isn't exactly what you mentioned earlier ... "... the treatment the British hostages recieved ..." ... was what I was responding to in your previous post. Not the so called confessions the British soldiers were coerced into giving. …

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Natalie, enough games. I still harbor doubts about all of the theories presented for what happened on 9/11 and have made no absolute judgements or claims of knowing the truth of the matter is. I have answered the same in different ways to your similar questions on previous occasions. My previous statement shouldn't have read "was" but should correctly read "is" . Thanks for the correction. We should put this topic away now, Natalie, as I think you have become obsessed with it. Here is a story for you ... Obsessed Two traveling monks reached a river where they met a …

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"Your continued confusion on the matter reflects extremely poorly on you, and I would urge you to wise up ... " Awww, Natalie, your ridicule has hurt my feelings =( But remembering this old saying ... "Bring me into the company of those who seek the truth, and deliver me from those who have found it." ... has cheered me up =) "You still don't seem to grasp the difference between the behavior of for instance, the Iranian govt. and the American govt." I do, Natalie. We have discussed it at length. They have differences and similarities. That we judge some …

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Natalie, it is difficult! I wish the good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore black ones but that's not the case. And most of the civilized world agrees that the USA is a bigger threat to peace, which one hopes would include human rights, individual freedom and opportunity , than any other nation. Didn't I offer a link further up page that said the same? It would be nice to visit Iran and meet some Iranian people. I am certain that they are no different than you or I. Except they are the ones who are unfortunate enough …

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Natalie, thank you. You are amazing too. Just about everything you said about Iran in your first paragraph can be said about the USA (govt.) as well. For example; "crackdowns by the govt. on people's freedoms" Many Americans are worried about effects the USA Patriot Acts and the recent suspension of habeas corpus have on their freedoms. I think it was Ben Franklin who said "those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither." "completely innocent men DID get tortured BOTH physically and psychologically." Yes. And the prisons at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are full of people who are being tortured …

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Rabbit, good to see you back at the old stomping grounds.

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Waddup, gizoogle is the shiznit ... mostly. I am all for alternatives to google as I almost always root for the underdog. For anyone interested in other search engines please try ... Clusty the clustering search engine. Mamma the mother of all search engines. I use Clusty. It is nice because it provides regular results and "clusters" of results too.

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Aunty, I thought you looked familiar. I was around for the DU discussion (Radioactive Wounds of War) back in the day too. I like a good mystery but I like solving them better. Any hints as to what that different name then was?

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Forgetting ones purpose is the most common form of stupidity. -- Nietzsche Posted by recursive prophet on Mar 28, 2007 at 1:58 PM Arpie, your best post ever! (... mostly.) " ... digital barfight " really cracked me up ! Thanks for the laughs and all the rest. I hope you stick around here at ITT and go on to even better than best !

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To Tell the Truth ... I am Bostonblackie (my fingers are crossed). Will the real Bostonblackie please stand up?

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"joyless Christian" "thank god I'm an atheist" I met a joyless atheist recently. Thank God I'm a believer. All the joyless people Where do they all come from ? All the joyless people Where do they all belong ?

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No, Mike, God is.

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Light blue is good but I like a dirty green. God is what? Exactly!

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God is exactly what God will be. Sure, I like a dirty color. Clean colors are fine but dirty colors need love too.

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Mike, I already answered that God question. If you want to see the answers again please start reading at Posted by David in Canuckistan on Mar 14, 2007 at 1:22 PM on this thread. If an Abbot and Costello "Who's On First?" effect was what we were attempting with that line of discussion then I think we have succeeded. But I think you looped back to soon. Your next question should have been "What will God be?" and then my answer would be "God will be what God wills to be." "wooly headed liberal" While I do have a full head …

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Yes, I did answer the question. If you don't like my answer that is your problem, not mine. But, as always, I am ready to help you. "no one defies definition and classification" Except maybe God. (and that is answer enough for the rest of your thoughtful questions) Upon further consideration I will rephrase my statement; I resist definition and classification. "Your narcissism is getting a little extreme." Coming from you, Mike, that is the dull old pot calling the shiny new kettle black. But that's okay. I forgive you. Eventually I may be as you are but I will continue …

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Mike, I never claimed to shine intellectually but thank you for the input. As I have mentioned before, I neither desire nor require proof of God. Faith is enough. Just as the last shall be first, and the first last: to lose is to win.

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Mike, thanks for the victory. I know I am not playing fair , sometimes, but it was fun. Next time I will let you win but I wish you had asked me how the last can be first. Arpie, we have the ability to laugh and being created in God's image I think that God enjoys a good laugh too. Hmmm ... a bible passage with a reference to people laughing. I seem to remember Sarah laughing but here are 3 verses and there are more. If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there …

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Is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? and not to be set on a candlestick? Mark 4:21 Funny and appropriate to this discussion, I think. Arpie, that your understanding of the story of the Canaanite woman is different than mine does not surprise (or discourage) me. You are not alone in your belief and you have every right to it. You asked about humor in the bible and I pointed to a story that made me laugh (and you laugh at me). If it does not work for you, that's okay. I will not …

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spokesmutants for your faith They are not speaking for my faith. They are blind guides who strain at a gnat and yet swallow a camel. (that's more biblical humor - Matthew 23:24). Only I speak for my faith.

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I know, everybody funny, now you funny too. (George Thorogood - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer) Funny and appropriate to this discussion. (I think George and Will Rogers would have gotten along.) Luminous Beauty, It's YHVH (not 'yhwh') ... you die now, infidel !!! Just kidding! I like the V because there is a vav in my name ... DVD. And thanks for my new word of the day; supervenience. Tricky! It's the doing that is the main thing, not explaining it. Exactly ... doing is being and that is what matters ... mostly. Arpie, you said "Religion in general …

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As I said "There IS laughter in the good book " (emphasis added). The story of Elisha and the children and the bears made us all laugh, by our own admissions. It is funny and ironic. Not necessarily literally true but perhaps having a lesson that is figuratively true. The story of the Tree Of Knowledge of Good and Evil is an interesting story. "Don't ask too many questions. You wouldn't understand anyway" But ask and understand they did. And YHWH killed them for it. We are asking the questions right now and trying to understand. Atheist or agnostic or believer …

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Not exactly my type but she's hot ! Just so long as she is a Woman aged 18 - 99 you are happy, eh, Mike?

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It helps if you think of priesthoods, scriptures, and all that stuff as steps in the effort to understand, rather than as literal truths with any kind of permanence. Exactly ... good post, Kuya. When love is implemented, the perennial law of the jungle is surpassed, and miracles take place in the lives of people. Thanks, Kuya, for proof once again that "all we need is LOVE". (and a basic understanding of "how many angels can dance on the point of a needle") Tell me if you have understanding. Thanks Tex. I will let you know ;)

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The origin of the world "... joy!" (full frontal nudity usually is - and the 'fig leaf' door was a nice touch) I do declare!

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to know good and evil Knowing good and evil is easy. Knowing which is which can be harder.

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"outnumbered" Naaah ... you are one of us, Arpie. Devout atheist, indeed! I think you are backsliding on your faith. "Sad is the atheist who must seek sanctuary among believers" One of us! One of us! One of us! Sanctuary you shall have, if you are one of us or not. And you should be happy! Remember ... I won't excommunicate or kill you!

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"noticed your reference to Mydixadril. I just got it. 5 groans." That was a good one, Arpie! Thanks for noticing, Luminous Beauty, it went right by me and I never gave it a second glance. And I saw mention of Mydixadril today on another thread so I guess 5 groans is a good score. I am looking for inspiration here too. I want to elaborate on In the Garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil and may have a few questions for Tex, but I have to get dinner started now. So long, fare thee well. Pip! Pip! …

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Sat Sri Akaal Blessed Be Who says Truth is God. Today I was in town for a celebration at the old, but new and improved, Gur Sikh Temple (despite sadly being reported as a road closure) for a reopening ceremony today. May it stand for another 90 some years. Good friends, good people and a good time! Luminous Beauty, good questions for Tex. I would also ask Tex's opinion as to why the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and subsequently the tree of life, was forbidden fruit?

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Hi Tex, thanks for your response to my question. Your answer the fruit was forbidden because knowledge of good and evil implies a choice man is ill equipped to make reminded me of what I wrote earlier upthread; ... to know good and evil ... Knowing good and evil is easy. Knowing which is which can be harder. You gave a fair answer but I would like to clarify a couple things and ask you another question or two about your understanding of this amazing story In the Garden. My original question, why the tree of knowledge of good and evil, …

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Nature? The world? or some state of being? Because it is our nature to?

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Hi Tex, thanks again for responding. I am not a very good Christian either. Sometimes I worry about a lightning bolt from the heavens to strike me down for my heresies. And that this doesn't happen is further proof of a loving and forgiving God. It seems you get what I am driving at when you ask Was it forbidden as the first test of man's obedience or was it forbidden out of love? Is God a cold remote dictator or a benevolent creator? I believe God loves us and forbid the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and …

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Well, Mike, your last was better than your previous comments. It is nice to see you try to be friendly (and funny). That was a good effort (I laughed). What makes you human, Mike? Seriouslyositly.

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Mike, not all , just better than your recent previous comments here on this thread. I think so at least but understand if you disagree. Some of your previous comments lack the respect that I feel they should show for others and their beliefs. But I digress ... you already know how I feel about respect.

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Yes, Mike. Low. Have a good weekend, everyone.

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Tex, both or neither. ... for God maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. -- Matthew 5: 45 Job is a great example of faith. The story of Job also has a parallel with the story we see in the Garden of Eden. Just as Adam and Eve were "good" and walked with God - so Job was a godly man. But as Adam and Eve were tempted and failed to overcome the temptation with faith and were changed by it conversely we see Job tempted …

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Tex, indeed, Satan may have God's dispensation to go to and fro on the earth but ... The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. -- Psalm 24:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? -- Isaiah 66:1 ... the world belongs to God, not Satan. When Satan tempted Jesus and offered the kingdoms of the world in return for worship from Jesus it was a deception with …

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Sandalwood, welcome! ... seeing for oneself ... I like it and live it. I am a congregation of one. Some people see the same yet be differently. Some people be differently yet see the same. I don't know how it could be otherwise either.

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"But it is interesting to be reminded that there are far more intellectual approaches to spirituality than are on offer in Christianity and Islam." Arpie, the intellect and spirituality rests within the individual. (I+you=we) is who (I+you=we) are and (I+you=we) will be who (I+you=we) will to be. Adding + him or + her is what makes it more complicated than a broad stroke with a paint brush. I was born into a Mennonite family yet I can make a claim to being a yogi too (not a master by any definition). And I study, meditate, chant and pray too. All of …

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Kuya, how your life is lived is very important. For me, Yeshua is a subject to follow as much as he is an object for veneration. Mike, yes, I am still a Mennonite but as I grow from day to day I become new things too.

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Mike, don't be so hard on yourself. You have grown on me and it wouldn't be the same without you. I have learned so much from you and am forever thankful ... and either hand works for me. Luminous Beauty, excellent ... you can be didactive anytime you want to. Praxis makes perfect! And, indeed, if one never tries something new, and begins it anew, how will perfection be made better? I hope you find the time to ask some evocative questions (you know how I like questionnaires). Arpie, distinguishing between eupraxia and dyspraxia can be difficult. What seems a blessing …

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And so it goes ... Kurt Vonnegut was promoted to glory today. Everything was beautiful, and nothing hurt.

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The irony is delicious but I have the appetite for the explanation as well. "I am, incidentally, Honorary President of the American Humanist Association, having succeeded the late, great science fiction writer Isaac Asimov in that totally functionless capacity. We had a memorial service for Isaac a few years back, and I spoke and said at one point, 'Isaac is up in heaven now.' It was the funniest thing I could have said to an audience of humanists. I rolled them in the aisles. It was several minutes before order could be restored. And if I should ever die, God forbid, …

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Truly scrumptious.

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Even David hates you now Not true, Mike. he's just too polite to say so. But you, Mike, are stretching the limits of my politeness. PS - to Kuya - Posted by Kuya on Apr 16, 2007 at 1:29 AM - great post.

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You know what I wrote is true. Mike, what you wrote is not true. And I say Luminous Beauty is lovable - so there. Even you are lovable, Mike, though it is not as easy to love you. Mike, were you trying to reference something from Romans? It only has 16 chapters. If those numbers are verses they may be backwards and you will have to let us in on which chapter you are referring to.

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Mike, I am not lying. You are lovable despite your efforts to be unlovable. I love you, so does Jesus and I suspect that Luminous Beauty loves you too (the way a cat loves a mouse). PS - still waiting for the clarification of your bible reference and if I have made any errors in my references I would appreciate specific instances so I may correct the record.

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Okay, Mike, the joke is up. You gave it away when you questioned my sanity (knowing that you do not believe in mental illness). But your effort to be complimentary almost brought a tear to my eye (I laughed so hard). Seriously!

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"Just keep on flaming. I've got lots of wieners and marshmallows. Plenty for everybody." I got chocolate and graham crackers. With your marshmallows we can make s'mores.

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Aunty, hi there! It's all very interesting. Our friend Mike has apparently played with various sock puppets named Hawaii Jack, Bart (probably) and now Boston Blackie. It would be entertaining except he can't seem to make a believable and variable puppet ... it's always the same old same old. I am expecting Boston Blackie to start going on about Ayn Rand any minute now. And if the pattern holds true then Mike will be back soon and thank Boston Blackie for taking care of his "light work". Unless the "blondemike" username has been banned? But not too likely as ITT seems …

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Hi Bostonblackie ... welcome! After digging in the archives I have reached the conclusion that Mike (aka blondemike and the legion of other aliases which sadly includes yourself) and Jack Barnes (aka et al) are one and the same. So I have to disagree with you here as the evidence does not support your assertion. If you would like to see the evidence that I have based my judgement upon I would be happy to share it here. Oh, I tried to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand but didn't get past the first dozen or so pages ... it just …

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Mike, my friend, I am getting tired of the puppet show. I have seen better. If the show must go on, that's fine. I can play along, cheering and clapping, booing and hissing, as I think appropriate because I think there is some value in it. But if you want me to pull back the curtain and end this farce then all you have to do is ask. I have enjoyed your participation here and want you to know that I support your right to be here. But, as your friend, I must tell you that I do not think it …

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Arpie, I think old dogs learn new tricks all the time. And puppies can learn old tricks too. Doing them with style is what counts and is sadly lacking all too often.

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So the show goes on then? Okay. But it seems we have to finish this scene. Bostonblackie, you did step in something and it smells. Regarding the use of pseudonyms here ... I disagree. Do you have any evidence for your assertions or do you assert them on faith? I assert that my friend Mike is a long time resident under the bridge here at ITT albeit under many different names (your's included). Would you like to see the evidence? Or do you concede my assertion?

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"Obviously several of the regulars here are posting under multiple aliases. Frankly, I don’t care. I’m more interested in the content of what they write." Sounds like a concession of the point I was making? There is evidence to support my assertion and it is a selection of quotes and content posted here at this site over the last few years (it has nothing to do with addresses or anything illegal). Thanks for your help with Natalie. And, as always, I hope you stick around here.

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Eric, not at all. I was suspicious and have been proven correct. While it is rare, Mike has apologized before. And he never gives up. He'll be back.

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When you wish upon a star Makes no difference who you are Anything your heart desires Will come to you If your heart is in your dream No request is too extreme When you wish upon a star As dreamers do Ahhh - Jiminy sure has a way with words ;) Cats should apologize to mice and vice versa. And sometimes they do. Even Itchy and Scratchy got along sometimes. Resisting temptation (forbidden fruit) is what it's all about. "I can resist anything except temptation" -- Oscar Wilde

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Hey, an alter-ego is fun! Jiminy Cricket is a perfect alter-ego for me and if a Canuck flag gives it away ... so much the better.

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Capitalism Saved America and if you don't believe me I'll kill you. No ... God Bless America ! And if you don't believe me I will kill you! And excommunicate you too! (just kidding!)

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"... I'm not a pacifist and regard that as an immoral position." (Posted by blondemike on Mar 13, 2007 at 9:34 AM ) Mike, I am a pacifist ... mostly. Please tell me more about your supposition on that position.

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Mike, we will have to agree to disagree about God. Maybe we could agree that God (if he existed for you) would certainly not bless America. Thanks for the pacifism question response. Obviously we disagree. ChristCult nuts , is that really necessary, Mike.? Can't you at leastqualify it with a word like "most" or "some"? Tiger, not all people who believe in God are bible thumpers, whatever that means, or expect submission from everyone. God doesn't expect anyone's unwilling submission and neither do I.

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Mike, don't be disingenuous, damnit ;-) Yes, I suppose I know what bible thumpers are and I am sure there are more than a few in Canada. I was making the point that not everyone who has read the bible, and found it profitable , is a bible thumper and again I ask; whatever that is (seriously- are there buddha thumpers? or others thumpers?).? And thanks for your admission that there are religious people who are reasonable. Please continue to prove that there are some atheist people who are reasonable as well ... or not. I defend pacifism as I see …

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People who need serious surgery in Canada come here. That's true as I know someone who, against her doctor's advice, went to the USA for medical treatment, paid thousands and thousands of dollars for treatment and died regardless of the treatment but at least she died satisfied that she had tried everything. I have another friend who is a dual citizen and when he got sick while down in the USA he hustled back up here to Canada for medical treatment. What would of cost him a fortune for treatment in the USA didn't cost him a penny here in Canada …

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I have heard that in Canada one cannot get heart bypass surgery after a certain age (60 i think). Is this true? Wolf, not true. Sounds like a campfire story meant to scare people away from a universal healthcare system.

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David, I've been told by Canadians that that IS true and not only for bypass surgery. Mike, I had never heard of such a practice and would expect an uproar of public disapproval if it was so. I did some quick research and found nothing to substantiate it. I did find some information on the prioritization of patients on waiting lists for some surgeries like organ transplants and bypass surgeries but nothing to indicate that people over a certain age are being prevented from bypass surgery or any other medical treatment. The Canada Health Act mandates that all residents of Canada …

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Canada has a good healthcare system by any standards and Canada does boast one of the highest life expectancies (about 80 years) and lowest infant morality rates of industrialized countries. Do some research if you have the time, that's fine. Just keep in mind there is a difference between prioritization of waiting lists and denying people treatment. Someone who dies while waiting on a list in Canada is just as dead as the guy who died because he couldn't afford the treatment in the USA.

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Here are some links that everyone interested in comparisons between the Canadian and American healthcare systems could take a look at. The Health of Nations: Oh, Canada! (this one was a good read) Policy: Oh Canada! Physicians who have practiced in both the United States and Canada compare the systems. Canada's Single Payer Health Care System - It's Worth a Look I am blessed with good health and the intervals between visits to my doctor is measured in years and even decades so I don't have much in the way of personal experience with being a patient in our healthcare system …

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Mike, none taken. I read them and found them to be fair and impartial assessments ... mostly. Read them and tell me if you think they are unbiased and address any items you feel were biased. But try to keep in mind that you are biased to start with and so am I.

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Everything may be a commodity. But not all commodities are measured in dollars and cents (or sense). Some are measured in love.

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"I’m so going to love it when we succeed ..." And when will that be, Hyjinx? Another 4 years and thousands more dead people later?

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Kuya, good to see you around here again. And good to see you getting along with Mike. Come on everyone, let's all join hands and sing ... C'mon people, now smile on your brother, ev'ry-body get together, try to love one another right now. -- Get Together - Chet Powers You mentioned sunsets and sunrises and I pointed the same thing out not too long ago ... "but the sun doesn't rise and fall ... it is we who rise and fall." (Posted by David in Canuckistan on Dec 20, 2006 at 7:07 PM ) ... and Mike advised me "No, …

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Peace ... right back at you, Kuya. Exchanging ideas and learning from others is why I come here too. I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying your conversations with Mike. I enjoy talking with him too and while he has sometimes slipped into unnecessary incivility during our conversations, and since I refused to respond in kind, we have been able to get past it and get along quite nicely. Right, Mike?

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I can feel the love ;-)

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"I did not mean disrespect," said Rep. Joseph Krawczyk, who sat with his hands on his lap during the applause. The bearded and craggy Republican was a career soldier and is a Vietnam War veteran with a daughter on her third tour in Iraq. "I know from personal experience the effect of a message like this [can have] on our armed forces ... The words say, 'We can't win.' " You can't win 'em all. This Rep. Krawczyk sounds like a sore loser who can't admit defeat when it is evident the war is lost. I suppose he supports the war …

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Mike, is that another ironic rhetorical question? Please forgive me for asking but ... I quoted a portion of the article and commented on it. Please explain exactly what don't you understand and I will be happy to enlighten you.

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By refering me to your previous answer you are repeating yourself. Thank you for the clarification and my apology for my misunderstanding.

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Heck, good post. yellow journalism Scandal and sensationalism does make for good , and I use the term loosely, copy but that doesn't mean it isn't true. I would like to be more sure about many things but sometimes supposition is all you have to work with. I guess at least it keeps them off the street. hehehe

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Mike, what I liked best about Heck's post (Feb 15, 2007 at 6:36 PM) was that he was civilized and respectful in his response. And he managed to add some humour to make me laugh when some of the hateful dialogue (Redhorse vs. Mike) on this thread has made me so sad that I feel like weeping. Not only that but he did make some valid points as well. For instance ... Facts are better than supposition. But, as I noted, in the absence of cold, hard facts sometimes supposition is what we are left with and, as I noted, simply …

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Arpie, thanks. Maybe I am dreaming ... Redhorse, good to see you too (and the horse you rode in on.) Peace! Mike, I read through this thread again and can't find where Heck mentioned Chomsky at all. Could you pinpoint it for me please? Maybe you are referring to his remarks about Rush Limbo and the cheerleaders on either side? "So those of us who have opposed this mass murdering crew are as bad as those who supported them." I think you are making a rash inference here and I hope Heck is back soon to clarify his position and respond …

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"I never wrote that he mentioned Chomsky" Then what's this, Mike .... "WTH's trick of comparing people like Chomsky with the Limbaughs" Heck, do you blame the critics of Bush as well as the supporters? And for what specifically? Is this your answer here re: witnessing illegal behavior; "I maintain they are as guilty as anyone for not bringing it to an end.? Isn't speaking out about it the first step to doing just that? Furthermore, Heck, you say that "what could have been an improvement the Middle East has been terribly botched" . I assume you are referring to the …

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I am just trying to understand, Mike. Thank you for the clarification. And thanks for your kind words (more irony). "I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn human actions, but to understand them." -- Baruch Spinoza

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Heck, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. You asked a few yourself and I hope that my answer to the following question will suffice as an answer for all. Would you ever favor overthrowing a dictatorship by force? Only if I lived in one and only if it was time to say "enough". And, personally, likely not even then.

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Posted by blondemike on Feb 18, 2007 at 2:31 PM Good post, Mike.

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Guys, knock it off, please.

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Posted by Eric Blair on Jan 31, 2007 at 12:20 AM Great post, Eric. I laughed too. But what about me? Who am I? Probably just another sucker for articulate histrionics as well as the inarticulate. Thanks for lightening the mood.

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Thanks Luminous Beauty. I am living the dream. Remind me ... are you a spanker or spankee?

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Eric, your BEST POST EVER !!! Luminous Beauty, catholic guilt , one of your best posts too! (the irony was so gentle I thought an angel was tapping me on the shoulder) Mike, the last time I was spanked it was voluntary too.

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... and it gets better. Surreal and phantasmagorical even. Well done, Eric! You live up to your namesake.

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At the vortex of this one, my best guess would be you, Davie. You have the imagination and sense of humor for it. But not the time! Time is chasing after all of us.

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Of course there is a Canuckistan but to find it you will need directions; It's past the second star on the right and straight on 'til morning.

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Ahhh ... time ... to dream ... I have a place where dreams are born And time is never planned. It's not on any chart; You must find it with your heart, Never Never Land. -- Peter Pan

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Arpie, I am back from Never Never Land and will be very happy to hear any stories you have tell. I hope it's a story about pirates!

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Ahoy ye scurvy an' scabrous dogs! If ye be wantin' t' talk like a pirate 'ere be help for land lubbers an' bilge rats alike. O' course a bit o' grog in yer belly is first an' foremost t' talk, an' walk, like a pirate. Avast me maties! Raise the missen mast an' make ready t' set sail! "our sweet 'n' somewhat girlish cabin boy, Davey (Jones, is 't?), t' entertain." Aye, a pretty boy I be but have ye ever met a cabin boy with a real yardarm? Aye, be he am I, says I. Yo Ho! Yo Ho! A …

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Mike, it's not ebonics, it is pirate parley. Hmmm ... a translation? I recommend grog - rum cut with water. In the good old days the pirates used rum to cut stinky drinking water stored in barrels tied to the masts of their ships so in our modern world the water could be optional but, once again, is recommended. Drinking grog not only helps one to walk and talk like a pirate, if a pirate they be, but it also helps landlubbers understand what pirates are talking about. So ... drink up, me hearties! Brave Dave (Cabin Boy and Pirate in …

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Be interested to learn if we all agree most people misrepresent themselves online but not us. Ain't no flies on us! I think that it is possible that some people online represent themselves as they wish to be. A technical misrepresentation it may be but wishing can make it so and doing is being. After all ... how could anyone make this shit up? And the answer is that we do. You will be who you will to be.

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Yeah, it's not so bad here. There are lower levels of hell to be sure. How do you "save to cache"? I could have used it a couple minutes ago. The edit button is nice.

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I am back too.

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cavorting with the natives. I went native a long time ago. I shouldn't tell you this ... but we are restless.

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Well said, Maria.

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Ahhh ... the War of 1812. War of 1812 - Worms Arrogant (sung to the tune, sort of, of the Battle of New Orleans by Johnny Horton) Oh, come back, proud Canadians To before you had TV, No hockey night in Canada, There was no CBC (Oh, my God!). In 1812, Madison was mad, He was the president, you know He thought he'd tell the British where they ought to go He thought he'd invade Canada, He thought that he was tough Instead we went to Washington.... And burned down all his stuff! And the White House burned, burned, burned, And …

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All war is ill conceived. At the time, Canadians were Britons (in a colonial sense). Canada did not begin to achieve it's independence from Britain until some decades (and centuries) later. Tex, curling is incomprehensible to some Canadians too but I am glad you like the beer and hockey.

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Any logical "empire" would have already consolidated Mexico and Canada into its fold ... Tex, they have. It's called free trade. When 'tar sands' are included Canada has the second largest oil reserves in the world. Middle Eastern oil is "heavy crude" ... Hmm ... they have (or had) light sweet crude too. But it may be that most of the good stuff has already been pumped and they are left with mostly heavy crude now. Except maybe in Iraq? But it's all oil. If oil was the only reason to have a presence in SouthWest Asia as the article insinuates. …

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Once again Israel gets smacked around for no real reason......Strange. Tex, I hardly smacked Israel around. You brought up the countries you said the USA benefits by it’s protection in the Middle East and I named another country that receives the benefits of the protection you mentioned. And I supplied quotes from President Bush to support my statement. Congressman Ron Paul sees an Escalation in the Middle East and he mentions Israel. What’s so strange?

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Whattheheck, lobbyists are thick on the ground here too but don't wield quite as much power as they do in the USA. Recently Canada has introduced legislation on the federal and provincial level to keep the lobby groups on a short leash. It's important to make sure that lobbying and the influence the various groups have doesn't become influence peddling which is a crime under Canada's Criminal Code.

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Tex, we were talking about the Middle East until you mentioned Europe and Japan. Israel is in the Middle East and relevant to the discussion in my opinion. I wasn't aware I presented a thesis. Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain what it was? I never said defense of Israel was the primary reason for war. But it is one of the reasons as the rhetoric makes clear. A hunt for weapons of mass destruction and a liberation in the name of Iraqi freedom were a few other reasons put forward to justify the war. Neither has been …

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"Spoils of War" aside. A good article. Informative and well written. Rip off reconstruction contracts and spOILs of war. The invasion of the corporations as well as the miltary. -------------------- (Mike, I am pleased you seem to agree with what I said ... except as noted by your statement about first priority. Exactly how do you think I was being naive if this is what you were referring to? Or maybe everything I said was naive? Clarification please.) Talking about the why of an ongoing war is fine but right now I am concerned about the why and when of the …

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Spoils of War Oil, the U.S.-Middle East Free Trade Area and the Bush Agenda Title and subtitle. Middle East. Tex, other than that I could agree with some of what you just said but disagree with your statement ... As none of these countries have oil reserves in any great quanitity and none are located in the Persian Gulf, they play no real part in this discussion. ... when it is quite obvious they are relevant to this discussion as they are all close neighbours. How would you like a war next door to you? Please give me your knee jerk …

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German chemicals, French factories, Russian munitions, and Saddam were not an acceptable combination. Tex, you forgot the United States of America and the blood on it's hands.

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Being civil to the uncivil is how you civilize them.

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Mike, the advice works regardless of extremes. I practice what I preach and speak from experience. Try it and you will be pleasantly surprised. Consider that when one is uncivilized to the uncivilized that it becomes difficult to tell who used to be civilized (if either really were in the first place). Tex, please and thank you (with a glimmer of wit even!) are a good start. You took a step foward by following my advice but your rant about arabs and muslims was so many steps backwards that you may never catch up. Most muslims are no different than people …

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Get on the peace train.

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Recursive Prophet, sorry to hear you missed the "train" link. Rest assured I am saving you a seat, my friend, because I know you would be onboard (online) if it were not for your modem. Let me tell you about it ... The peace train link is a picture slide show with Cat Stevens singing his "peace train" song. The pictures are from Iran and show a beautiful country and beautiful people that are no different than you, me or the rest of the human race. People who, for the most part, want to live in peace. Too many people are …

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I would bet that you have never spent a substantial amount of time living amongst those mostly from a different culture/ethnicity. Recursive Prophet, I grew up in a rural area with a substantial Native American population and counted many as my friends. We played cowboys and indians (not very politically correct, I know, but we didn't care) with real horses (and real indians) and since the cowboys were outnumbered by indians they always won our games. Now I am grown and living in a different part of the country with a large Sikh population. So now I have some East Indian …

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Of course in this retarded country 70% don’t believe in evolution but in Jeezez. Mike, some people, myself included, can believe in Jesus and accept evolution as well.

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exposed to different cultures. Did you truly find the two to be the same? Recursive Prophet, the same but different. What I did find consistently the same is some people's hateful (fearful?) disposition towards others simply because they have different colored skin, live differently, talk differently or believe differently. When I was younger the intolerance baffled me and I was always asking my parents "why?". They explained but I was sceptical. As I grew up I noticed the bigotry more and more but have never been able to fully understand it.

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It appears the attempt at a cease fire is over?

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I am not in favor of death under any circumstances. If a human being is deemed unfit for life within a society because of a terrible act against humanity, we cannot find justice by committing the same act ourselves. Rabo, sehr gut. Ich stimme zu. I am 'firmly opposed' to a death penalty too. If a human being is deemed fit for life within a society because of a good act for humanity we can find justice by committing the same act ourselves.

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Hi Rabo. I liked what you said so much it was only natural to echo it back to you. Thank you. Don't worry about the German flag. There is another guy named Frog who comments here at ITT and he is from France and sometimes he waves a French flag and sometimes a German flag. It's globalization. I believe (hope) my German was good too. It's too late at night here to check with my Oma (grandmother), or my Dad, but that's a good thing because when I try to speak German to either of them I get silence and I …

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Recursive Prophet, I don't think the answers to crimes and illness is more prisons or more doctors. Instead of building more prisons our focus should be creating fewer criminals. Rather than more doctors we need less sickness. And no executions and executioners. But your suggestion to deny any possibility of the death penalty for more heinous crimes, while making it available upon request for all others is interesting. A 'voluntary death penalty'. But it should be offered to all criminals. To deny the most heinous the right to die wouldn't be right.

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Thanks Heck, you honor me. Neither do I condemn thee; go, and sin no more. Which brings me to a favorite story of mine. I shared this story not too long ago on the Godless Fundamentalist thread but it is very appropriate for this discusssion so I happily share it again. (There is a more familiar version of this story, but a friend of mine has told me of other rabbis that faced the same situation. This is their story.) A great rabbi stands teaching in the marketplace. It happens that a husband finds proof that morning of his wife's adultery, …

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Eric asks "why?" I wouldn't presume to answer for Luminous Beauty but perhaps the answer is ... Hope springs eternal in the human breast: Man never is, but always to be, blest. -- Alexander Pope (click for link) An excellent poem that may also answer the 'death penalty' question posed in this thread.

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Whattheheck, in answer to your hypothetical question ... something else; Recite poetry while I step in between them and get stabbed. Do I get flowers then too? (In lieu of flowers please send donations to a charity of your choice.)

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Heck, I was being a little cheeky in my answer which was (d) something else ... expressed as a combination of answers (c) poetry and (b) intervention and (a) flowers. Sorry for any confusion. My answer to your question was and is (d) something else ... like, avoiding the use of violence to solve a problem to such an extent as suffering violence myself. Pacifism and altruism, hand in hand, holding flowers.

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Luminous Beauty, you have asked a good question. And provided good answers. Given the situation my answers to your question would be 3 + 5 or maybe 4 + 5.

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Heck, I still have a couple questions about your hypothetical. If you wouldn't mind answering that would be great because I do want to try to understand the 'why' of your position. Do you really think that intervening using words and wits is a waste? Of what? Time ... effort ... a life, if it came to it ... or something else. And why? You said "Your slogan, "If it feels good, don't do it" Nope. My slogan is "If it feels good, be sure it's good, then do it." Sincerely, David in Canuckistan Chief Executive Officer Good Intentions Paving Company …

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Hmmm, maybe it's a two way at heaven's discretions. But maybe on third thought ... it is. If the road to heaven is paved with evil intentions, And too the road to hell ... it is. Then best be good our good intentions, And the best way ... it is.

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My belief is that you would be throwing your life away since after he attacked you there would be nothing changed. He would then continue his attack on the woman. Possibly others as well. Maybe not, Heck. Maybe my poetry would soothe the savage beast in him ... or not. Maybe after he has killed me with his trusty screwdriver his bloodlust would be filled ... or not. That's the great thing about hypothetical questions ... the answers are hypothetical too. But regardless, I don't think it would be a waste, no matter what the outcome, so long as I tried …

Posted to How do you feel about the death penalty?

why not have hanging or gas chambers or electric chairs or firing squads ? Indeed, Mike, why not get really old school and draw and quarter the criminals? draw and quarter; To execute (a prisoner) by tying each limb to a horse and driving the horses in different directions. Now that's therapeutic.

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Mike, once again, it seems that I find it necessary to apologize for the lack of clarity in my irony. Please forgive me.

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Good post, gglodoe.

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Maybe much or Iraq is in bad shape now, but it was in bad shape before the invasion. At one time, before the 1991 Gulf War and the sanctions that followed, Iraq was in good shape. Iraq had a reasonable standard of living. Healthcare, schools and infrastucture were the envy of many of Iraq's neighbours in the region. After the 1991 conflict and the sanctions imposed it all went down the toilet. And now, after the recent invasion and occupation, the standards in Iraq are at their worst.

Posted to Iraqi Health Care: Hostage to War

Wolf, I see that Jack already reminded you why the aggressive US attacked the peaceful Iraqi’s in ‘91. Consider that many Iraqis, and Americans, are peacful and desire to live in peace. They just get dragged along to the war by their leaders. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding …

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Hey Frog, how goes it? Long time no see but good to see you again. Thanks for reminding me of Wolf's statement ... ... we have provided primitive cultures with modern weapons ... Wolf, feeling culturally superior, eh? I would say that any culture that still uses violence as a means of problem solving is woefully primitive. But is good to see you admit that it is we that provided some of these weapons and cause more problems than we fix. As for the oil ... America buys lots of oil from closer to home than you might think. Although some …

Posted to Iraqi Health Care: Hostage to War

The average cost of winning a House race was just shy of $1 million. A Senate seat comes closer to $7.8 million. This should be a national scandal. It is scandalous! What price would be a reasonable price to allow a candidate to let their potential constituants know what they stand for and against? Wolf, maybe this formula is worthy of consideration ... the price of a postage stamp multiplied by the number of constituents. a lottery. Jack, good idea. I have always thought that a lottery would be an excellent method of selecting politicians. Worth a try at least. And …

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Hmmm ... we could cut that back even more, Wolf. There might be 300 million constituents but how many households are there? We don't need a stamp costed for each member of the same household, just one stamp per household per candidate. I wonder, how do we acess the value of people making phone calls or doing other political work for free (like MoveOn volunteers)? We don't. No value at all. There is a new circle of hell (circle 5.5) being constructed for telemarketers of all stripes.

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Yes, it is scandalous. Both the dollar amount and where it comes from Our elected leaders are supposed to be indebted to the people that elected them. That means you and me. Even if we voted for the other guy. Not some corporation or special interest group. Limitations on the money in elections would be good for free speech because instead of the money they spend it would be the words they speak that matters.

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His [Jack's] reiterant use of the words 'psychobabble' and 'wordsalad' ... Don't forget pot, scrub thyself and Ayn Rand. And the occasional slip with the right hand margin. Mike, you and Jack sure have a lot in common. Reminds me of Sifl and Olly. I like Mike and Jack. Double the fun!

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Okay, Mike. If you say so ...

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I care. Thanks for the information, Major. Jack, what's with the anal fixation in your comments of late?

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Yeah ... more Sneetches on the Beaches.

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If you are so fucking smart, why didn't YOU discover that blondemike was Michael P. Hardesty? Scorp, maybe Major didn't read the thread where blondemike was bragging about submitting a 5000 word article to Z Mag. That was the first clue that got me looking for the Z Mag article but I don't think it was actually published. A search did find mention of the same Z Mag brag posted by Michael Hardesty in 2004 right here at In These Times. Like you say, it wasn't too hard to figure out if you happened to read the first clue and then …

Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power

Luminous Beauty, I remember your verse. I have always maintained that my old friend Jay is not a troll. Here is my drunken poet impersonation (winkwinknudgenudge) for tonight .... I went out there, the places I have been and things I have seen. Throngs of trolls, thick in the thicket, missing the mark, snarl and snark, snarl, snarl, snark. I came back here, after things I had been and places I have seen. But there is fruit in the thicket, tonight ...

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Hello Arpie (aka. Recursive Prophet), Does that mean you swear a lot or have nice handwriting? Just kidding! I have wondered if this Jay Cline is that Jay Cline. Jay ? Sorry if it seems like prying. I believe those like Jay that have any reasonable case to make should be not just welcome but prized on this site. Yea, speak on brother [or sister]. Be gracious. And heap coals on their heads. Forever and ever, Amen ... (Forgive me Lord, for I have sinned. Again, just kidding! Mostly!?)

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Fortunately I am blessed with angels ... Luminous Beauty, thanks, you are too kind. Halo or horns ... I try to do my best. Yes, I have seen the discussion with Scorpy. It is nice to see a more personal side of him and hear his story. Barky, it is always entertaining. Not to sure about the quality sometimes.

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all of you are crazy as mad hatters ... How about a nice cup of tea?

Posted to Chávez Consolidates Power

And we got to get ourselves back to the garden ... A late planting for the garden. Or maybe it's an early planting for the next season. That's another word for your list, Barky. Season. And plant. Don't forget to plant .

Posted to Seeds of Hope: Gardening in Barren Times

Harvest too. I read the same and that Saddam fed bread to birds during his imprisonment.

Posted to Seeds of Hope: Gardening in Barren Times

All this talk of gardens and weeds reminds me of Matthew chapter 13 with the various parables about seeds and the kingdom of heaven. Here is one of them: Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou …

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And as it regards Saddam and his masters of the harvest; He was a weed deliberately planted amongst the wheat and burned up with the field when the time was right. Just to clarify who the enemy sowing the tares really is.

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Seed. I saved some seeds from last years pepper plants and tomatoes. I have always simply bought new seeds every year when I plant the garden but decided to try my hand at seed saving for a few plants. Don't tell the 'seed police'. Defiant garden, indeed! Hunt. Fish. That reminds me. I have to get a new fishing license soon. The old one expires at the end of March. Last year I forgot until the middle of the summer when I was camping and fishing and a friendly park ranger caught me without a license. He let me off with …

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Sooner as opposed to later. Soon enough to convince most people that anything has really changed, I guess. And for all of us Canucks. I would really like to see a Green Party candidate take a seat. If we have to put a good face on the corruption that we call politics I wouldn't mind a green tinge to that face.

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"They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience every time." Eric, you are a breath of fresh air. Thanks. Especially for the quote. Who said that? A search turns up results that seem like it is a gamer phrase? The link was good too. Very well summed up. You should post more often. Ignore him!! Eric, easy to say. More difficult to do. Since I seem to find it therapeutic to try to help others get well. But ... that's probably a 'messiah complex' I suffer from.

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... that you endorse the shit that Kamm spewed out makes me even wonder about your lefty credentials ... Perhaps I should clarify. I did not endorse Mr. Kamm's historical veracity but did enjoy his characterization of Mr. Hardesty as being deranged and a lunatic. Not that there is anything wrong with being a little crazy. Sorry for the confusion. My lefty credentials? I didn't know I had any. But then I didn't get my Lefty Decoder Ring either. That pissed me off. I sent in 1000 box tops from my favorite breakfast cereal, Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs, got a rapid …

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You are contradicting yourself here, David. Not at all. Mr. Kamm derived his characterization of Mr. Hardesty from their discussion. I agree with Mr. Kamm's characterization but base that on my discussions with Mr. Hardesty (blondemike) here at this forum. Do you see the logic? Even if you don't, please remember that I defy logic and that contradictions and conundrums don't bother me in the least. Perhaps I should repeat myself and clarify some more; I did not endorse Mr. Kamm's historical veracity, or lack of it, but did enjoy his characterization of Mr. Hardesty as being deranged and a lunatic. …

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as two mutual friends of Hardesty's have told me. Jack, so you and Mr. Hardesty (aka blondemike) have mutual friends? Are you and Mr. Hardesty friends too? Tell us more about the lengthier response from Hardesty please. (Jack, given your taste for scatological humor and identity mysteries ... Luminous Beauty, I too noticed that Jack's humour relies heavily on scatological themes. Have you seen A View on Pelosi from a World Away thread lately. Major found some more interesting research on our friend Mr. Hardesty.

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Yeah. Yeah. Whoosh or subtle!? Who knows? Kant would be proud?

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Thanks for the details, Mike (and Jack). The better I know you the better I like you. Both.

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getting ridiculous No shit, eh !? Some people might reconsider some of the fertilizer they are spreading, try thinking before they put their foot in their mouth (after all ... it's covered in shit) and make use of the edit function.

Posted to White Progressives Don't Get It

Mike, I am saddened to point out that you are guilty of ad hominem attacks. For example You're a rightwing weasel. and low IQ, rightwing pinhead like yourself ... So I will borrow one of your favorites ... pot, scrub thyself. Ad hominem abusive or ad personam Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam) usually and most notoriously involves insulting one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but damning character flaws or actions. ad hominem And maybe I am guilty now too for pointing it out. Oh well.

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But it is very nice to see Mike and Redhorse getting along. Now play nice with Whattheheck.

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Redhorse, Yes, there is none so blind as he who will not see but I don't think Mike is blind, maybe just a little nearsighted (satirical humor, not argumentum ad personam). As for ad hominem and insults I can safely say we are all guilty of it to some degree at one time or another. Whattheheck, Thank you. Glad to be back. I went on a walkabout of the web for awhile but eventually came back to these old stomping grounds. Old friends are the best. Even if we disagree. Mike, There are subtypes of ad hominem for which I provided …

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If you think his responses are in way adequate to address the points I made ... Adequate, not at all. But you still insulted him and that is an ad hominem by definition. Look Mike, I have gone round